13-01-2004 22:38									#1
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You know the basic generic theory, nobody rich and nobody poor, everyone works for each other blah blah blah...

Did this carry over into academia? To create a true utopia we can't just limit it to money can we???

Everyone in a class/school/college should just have their grades averaged and everyone get the same score. We can't let those capitalist with more than their share of book smarts oppress the lower classes now can we.


EDIT: Since some here seem to take the world far too seriously, THIS IS NOT SERIOUS. I apologize for not including the oblicatory . So here you go.



And a for Templar, lighten up man.

Last edited by Patroklos on 13-01-2004 at 23:40

	13-01-2004 22:51									#2
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I agree

	13-01-2004 22:55									#3
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So, Patty, how is anti-communism for beginners working out for you?

Seriously, communist education, at least in the USSR, was rather similar to education everywhere else. The exception being that students who did the best were required to help struggling students.

	13-01-2004 23:06									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos Everyone in a class/school/college should just have their grades averaged and everyone get the same score. We can't let those capitalist with more than their share of book smarts oppress the lower classes now can we.

Spare us the strawman argument, dickhead.

BTW, Yale Law doesn't give grades to first year students, all get pass/fail. The idea being "if you're good enough to get into Yale ..." And Yale Law is anything but a haven for Marxists.

	13-01-2004 23:12									#5
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Extremely inane. I'm impressed.

	13-01-2004 23:17									#6
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that's what impressed me in the first place too.

	13-01-2004 23:38									#7
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It is a joke retards, and obviouslly so.

Not too many people with a sence of hunor around here. But for your benefit I'll add an edit it for you.

	13-01-2004 23:41									#8
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It's an inane joke asshat, and obviously so.

	13-01-2004 23:43									#9
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Well... Isn't that the gist of communism though? All for one and one for all? You're only as strong as the weakest link?

	13-01-2004 23:45									#10
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I see Ramo, so in other words it fits in perfectly with most of the threads here.

	13-01-2004 23:48									#11
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No, your "joke" was exceptional in its inanity.

	14-01-2004 00:10									#12
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Stupid joke.

	14-01-2004 00:29									#13
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Commies -- can't live with them, and can't get along with them.


(another bad joke)

	14-01-2004 00:38									#14
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Did you learn a new word today Ramo?

	14-01-2004 00:45									#15
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funnily enough, i used the same argument at uni on a socialist (a pretty one mind ) to prove that grading income tax is wrong. I said, if anyone who scores over 50% has 90% of their sore taken off of them and redistributed, would it at all be fair on her.


She didn't like it.... :worried:

	14-01-2004 00:46									#16
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No, it's because he hasn't learned any new words that lead to him repeating 'inane'. Repetitively.

	14-01-2004 00:49									#17
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I suppose you would have to do that for her when she is in a class she is not doing well in, then she might like it.

Though the girl in Wargames refused to have her grade raised. Idealist

	14-01-2004 00:55									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos I suppose you would have to do that for her when she is in a class she is not doing well in, then she might like it.

thats the problem, she is quite clever

	14-01-2004 01:02									#19
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Well, I'd take an intelligent girl that can hold a conversation over the one who wants maxism applied to her grading system.

But that is just me

	14-01-2004 02:20									#20
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Patroklos, sounds like you and Saint Marcus Have Something in Common.

	14-01-2004 02:29									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos It is a joke retards, and obviouslly so.

Translation = I guess it was an inane troll after all

quote: Not too many people with a sence of hunor around here. But for your benefit I'll add an edit it for you.

I've got one, but the "joke" has to be funny.

	14-01-2004 02:33									#22
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quote: Originally posted by The Andy-Man funnily enough, i used the same argument at uni on a socialist (a pretty one mind ) to prove that grading income tax is wrong. I said, if anyone who scores over 50% has 90% of their sore taken off of them and redistributed, would it at all be fair on her. She didn't like it.... :worried:

Redistributing wealth is the allocation of a resource. Grading is supposed to be the measure of a resource. Therein lies the difference. What next? Is someone going to say that in a communist measurment system a meter should be the same length as a kilometer so that distances are not oppressed? Give me a break.

	14-01-2004 02:35									#23
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"Grading is supposed to be the measure of a resource. "

Therefore, in a Communist society, your grades should help determine how the government uses you up?

	14-01-2004 02:38									#24
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT "Grading is supposed to be the measure of a resource. " Therefore, in a Communist society, your grades should help determine how the government uses you up?

what government? After the proleteriat revolution, according to Marx (if not Lenin) there is no organized government.

	14-01-2004 02:38									#25
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT "Grading is supposed to be the measure of a resource. " Therefore, in a Communist society, your grades should help determine how the government uses you up?

Pretty much. Same way grades effect how private employers here decide to use you up.

	14-01-2004 02:40									#26
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quote: Originally posted by The Templar Redistributing wealth is the allocation of a resource. Grading is supposed to be the measure of a resource. Therein lies the difference. What next? Is someone going to say that in a communist measurment system a meter should be the same length as a kilometer so that distances are not oppressed? Give me a break.

the point i had been trying to make to her was that she worked hard to get88
% score, like people prolly work hard to earn 200,000 a year. And weather it was fair to steal that persons hard work and give it t oa bum who didn't revise and got 2%

	14-01-2004 02:47									#27
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Don't commies know not to feed the troll?

If no one posts to the thread, it just dies.

	14-01-2004 02:52									#28
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The commies really do need to lighten up, if a little joke like that gets their panties in such a bundle.

	14-01-2004 02:56									#29
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quote: Originally posted by The Andy-Man the point i had been trying to make to her was that she worked hard to get88 % score, like people prolly work hard to earn 200,000 a year. And weather it was fair to steal that persons hard work and give it t oa bum who didn't revise and got 2%

Egad! Grades do not measure the amount of work you do - they measure your mastery of the subject.

Back when I taught, I would get people who would work as hard as they could and barely earn the B- because they were at their intellectual limits with respect to philosophy. Other people could write brilliant papers in one draft the night before they were due, and got A's.

So if I had equalized the grades, I would not have been "stealing" hard work from all of the high scorers - just as I was not failing to recognize the hard work of low scorers. It's just that grades are not earned via work - they are earned via mastery. Work may lead to mastery, but the grades don't take the pathway to mastery into effect. Unless you give bonuses for hard work - in which case grades are a two dimentional metric of work and mastery. But grades remain a metric. Redistributing grades would not be a redistribution of reward, such redistribution would be a skewing of the measurement - a falsification of data-points.

Is it necessarily fair that some people are more talented than others in an area? Probably not, but that's the way it is.

	14-01-2004 02:57									#30
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quote: Originally posted by The Andy-Man the point i had been trying to make to her was that she worked hard to get88 % score, like people prolly work hard to earn 200,000 a year. And weather it was fair to steal that persons hard work and give it t oa bum who didn't revise and got 2%

Thankfully, you having an 88% means nothing to anyone else-everyone can have an 88% in class, if they work hard enough.

NOT true in the modern economy- you may work 90 hours a week, but if the job you do is one anyone can do, as hard as it may be, then the market will see to it you get paid **** for all your hard labor. Hard labor is not what decides whether you make lots of money- it is whether what you do is profitable to do, and that changes all the time.

A lot of poor people work as hard as the rich- they just don;t work at the same thing.