17-01-2004 05:03									#1
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I was reading Harry Turtledove's "How Few Remain" over Christmas, and decided that it would make a really good scenario. So, here are a few screenshots of what I've done so far:

Jeb Stuart and his men move into annex Sonora from Mexico in the incident which starts the war.

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	17-01-2004 05:08									#2
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Some of the units in the scenario. Most are the extremely talented work of Fairline.

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	17-01-2004 05:14									#3
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My current progress:

rules.txt 100%
units.bmp 95% (for some reason the initials of the artist in the corner keeps on getting deleted - so I'll have to re-insert these before release)
cities.bmp 100%
icons.bmp 90%
terrain1.bmp 100%
terrain2.bmp 100%
people.gif 100%
events.txt 0%
scenario file 25%
pedia.txt 0%

	17-01-2004 05:19									#4
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If any of you have any comments, suggestions, criticisms etc. please let me know.

Wow! I just noticed I finally made it to Prince!



When something like that matters to you I guess its time to admit you're spending too much time on Apolyton.

	17-01-2004 06:41									#5
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very cool....i have been about 85% done on the World War I part that continues after HFR...but have always had computer troubles crop up before I could finish. NICE!

	17-01-2004 07:27									#6
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I always thought a Turtledove novel would be a perfect Civ2 scen. Best of luck, should be great!

	17-01-2004 08:33									#7
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Looks groovy, any icons/people.gifs needed, gimme a shout!

	17-01-2004 17:44									#8
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looks very cool!!

	17-01-2004 17:58									#9
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Thanks guys!

Curt, I really appreciate your generous offer. As you can tell from this people.gif, there is no shortage of your fantastic work in the scenario!

	17-01-2004 18:01									#10
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Hmmm... didn't attach. I'll try again.

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	17-01-2004 19:28									#11
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Looks very nice!

Do you want to fill in the common man on the story for this scen? Anything alternative history or a regular American Civil war scen?

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	17-01-2004 20:07									#12
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All I can say is its about time somebody made a scenario based on the amazing "GREAT WAR" series starting with How Few Remain. Are you using the new North American Gigamap or another North American map?

Do you plan on making the other books in the series into scenario's? Do you need someone to design a title screen? I'm a pretty decent title screen designer if your interested.

	17-01-2004 20:27									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Sarsstock I'm a pretty decent title screen designer if your interested.

I can vouch for that

Our_man: This looks very interesting. I've never read Harry Turtledove but I've seen scenarios based on his work at CivFan (?). For the benefit of Turtledove novices like myself, would you mind giving a brief storyline for this? It's presumably based on an alternate-reality WW1 timeline where the US Civil War never happened?

Question about the units: you have the CSA men uniformed as WW1 Brits and the US men uniformed as they were in the Civil War; is this what Turtledove intended or is it just lack of appropriate unit graphics? If you give me some idea what you're after I may be able to knock something out which is more appropriate.

Good luck with the scenario

	17-01-2004 20:27									#14
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..... one thing though, the coolent towers in the terrain icon look a bit out of place for the 1880's, maybe you could replace them with coal burning smokestacks. Other than that it looks awsome!!

	17-01-2004 20:41									#15
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Although I haven't read How Few Remain I have read the six books that followed in the series so I can sum up what happens in How Few Remain.

The Civil War did indeed happen but it was the south that won. They won in part to better luck on the battlefield and European intervention. Its now the 1880's, and the CSA is ready to expand their empire. It just so happens the Emperor of Mexico (Maximillian I believe) is looking for some cash for the country he has bankrupted.

The CSA therefore agree's to purchase the states of Sinora and Chihuahua (forgive my spelling). The US sees this CSA expansion as unexeptable and declares war. That in short is the history behind How Few Remain.

	17-01-2004 23:57									#16
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Sarsstock did a pretty good job on filling in the overall plot. Basically the CS wins the Civil War as Lee's battle plans are never lost. The Confederates win an important engagement against the Union which is finally enough to sway England and France into supporting their bid for independence. The US accepts under duress.

Over the next twenty years both the CS and US continue to consolidate and expand their possessions in the east of America. The US is ruled by the Democrats, who prove unwilling to stand up to the the CS, even when the latter annex Cuba from Spain.

Twenty years later a Republican, James G. Blaine, is finally voted back into power in the US on a war platform. He handles the CS aggressively, and when it becomes known that the CS have purchased two Mexican provinces and are moving troops in to annex them he declares war.

	18-01-2004 00:39									#17
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Sarsstock, I'm using a map I found on Mercator's site - by Charles Magee I believe. I did not want to use a gigamap because I hope to make a quick, fun scenario that should only take a couple of evenings to play. As it is, each civilization I feel has enough cities and adequate space to manouevre:

No. of starting cities for each civ (could be revised yet):
United States - 32
Confederate States - 26
Mormom - 3
Mexico - 13
British - 15
Barbarian/Indian (representing cities in Sonora) - 4

Now, with regard to the visual aspect of the scenario. I am truly craptastic when it comes to drawing, so I have borrowed from several sources. Thanks for the offer Sarsstock, if you have an idea for an appropriate title.gif, I'd really like to see it!

Fairline, very astute of you to notice British officers parading around! My reason for using these was indeed lack of approriate unit graphics. In How Few Remain, the Confederates have changed their uniform from the gray of the Civil War to butternut. The most suitable graphics I could find for this were your British WW1 units. The Union have left their uniform more or less the same since the Civil War according to my understanding of the books.

With regard to specific graphic requests, I could use an image of Stonewall Jackson and George Custer (mine were taken from Microprose's Civil War scenario). The uniform on the Confederate Camel Rider also needs changing to match the uniform of the rest of the army. Can anyone also recommend a decent Ironclad graphic?

If anyone has any other suggestions please let me know. Thanks for all the help guys!

	18-01-2004 09:34									#18
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This all looks great, just one thing: It's Mormon, not mormom

Also, it's established in the book that the Confederates bought khaki (they call them butternut) uniforms from the British, but I'd expect them to be wearing cowboy hats rather than the caps the Brits wore going into WWI

	18-01-2004 11:39									#19
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They should be wearing cowboy hats, although I guess that many of the troops might think that they are too "Mexican" and not wear them.

	18-01-2004 23:06									#20
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Okay, I have a titlescreen ready that I hope you like, I'm not too familiar with this forum though so I'm not sure its going to upload right.

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	18-01-2004 23:59									#21
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Looks good.

	19-01-2004 02:10									#22
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OMG!

Sarsstock, I am truly in your debt. You weren't kidding when you said you were good at designing titles!

I am definitely going to use this. I only hope that my scenario can do your title screen justice!

JamesJKirk, thanks for the heads-up on the Mormon mis-spelling! I can't believe I didn't notice it.

	19-01-2004 03:13									#23
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Hey man, I'm just proud to have been a part of a scenario thats been a long time comming. Can't wait to give it a play!!

	19-01-2004 09:26									#24
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I just noticed, the industry looks a bit too 1940's. A smokestack would probably just be better.

	20-01-2004 00:00									#25
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Noted. I'll see if I can find anything more suitable.

	20-01-2004 05:54									#26
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Looks very nice indeed.

It's been a while since I last read this but I can still remember a few of the twists. Ideas (for what they may be worth) ...

A mercenary-type apache scout/brave in CSA service.
Perhaps include a 'killable' respawning static barbarian unit that creates a CSA apache in a particular Sonoran city for a certain monetary cost every time?

Slaves - Unit transforms from a combat engineer type into a useless static of some sort when the British enter the war as Confederate allies to represent the emancipation the British demanded.

It might be nice to represent the trick Jeb played on the US garrison when he led a raid across the border but I can't quite think how this might be done...

I guess you already have St Louis heavily defended and some rather odd-looking contraptions travelling with a chap named Custer?

	20-01-2004 06:07									#27
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OK Our_Man, here's some American Civil War infantry and Indian wars US troops. The butternut uniform is based on the historical one worn by the CSA troops rather than the British khaki apparently described by Harry Turtledove; the latter was a lot lighter (sand coloured) in the late 19th Century. Let me know if you want some kitted out in this colour.

I'll have a go at the Custer and Jackson pics and also some CSA cavalry. Is the camel corps trooper supposed to be dressed like the infantry?

I couldn't decide which of the CSA flags looked OK BTW - take your pick

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	20-01-2004 06:14									#28
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The second flag looks better.

	20-01-2004 06:29									#29
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I agree, the second flag looks much better. Also, lets see if we can find a good gatling gun unit, one of those odd contraptions right?

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I took a crack at re-touching the terrain hex with the coolant towers in them, I tried to give it a more 1880's feel by adding chimneys, however I'm not sure oil rigs existed in the 1880's so it still might be wrong.

Let me know what you think!

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