19-01-2004 22:25									#1
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This thread provides information to all people who want to translate altered language text files into their langauage.

So far we have full support for the German and the English version, also Japanese files are out that contain the additional strings but only in English.

The finished files from the altered source file project are:

..\ctp2_data\english\gamedata\add_str.txt
..\ctp2_data\english\gamedata\ldl_str.txt

..\ctp2_data\german\gamedata\add_str.txt
..\ctp2_data\german\gamedata\ldl_str.txt

Basicly you have to find the added strings in these text files and take the according text file of your language and add the new strings to your text file in your language.

For non programmers and non native English speakers: A string is a chain of characters. A character is a sign like a digist or a letter, like "GDDDDDDDDD121223nvdlhsff".


In add_str.txt you find the following new strings:

code:

str_ldl_MusicHotKey "Ctl+m"

code:

# Ranking Tab
str_ldl_RANKING_MILITARY		"Military"
str_ldl_RANKING_ECONOMIC		"Economic"
str_ldl_RANKING_SCIENTIFIC		"Scientific"
str_ldl_RANKING_OVERALL		"Overall"
str_ldl_INFO_RANKING_TAB		"Ranking"
str_ldl_RANKING_POLLUTION		"Pollution"
str_ldl_RANKING_WONDER		"Wonder"
str_ldl_RANKING_RANK			"Rank:"
str_ldl_LINE_BUTTON			"Line Graph"
str_ldl_ZEROSUM_BUTTON		"Zero Sum Graph"

code:

str_ldl_RANKING_POLLUTION		"Pollution"
str_ldl_RANKING_WONDER		"Wonder"

code:

### New World Shape Strings ###

str_tbl_ldl_North_South_Wrap_Only			"North-South Wrap Only"
str_ldl_North_and_South_edges_of_the_map_connect	"Noth and South edges of the map connect."
str_ldl_Neptun_World					"Neptun World"
str_tbl_ldl_Neptun_World					"Neptun World"

### New Single Player Game Player Screen Strings ###

str_ldl_SPNGPS_NumPlayerSpinner	"Number of players"
str_ldl_SPNGPS_MaxPlayerSpinner		"Maximum number of players"
str_ldl_SPNGPS_PlayerSpinner		"Start player"

str_ldl_SPNGPS_NumPlayerText	"Sets the number of players in the new game."
str_ldl_SPNGPS_MaxPlayerText	"Sets the maximum number of players that could occur in a game."
str_ldl_SPNGPS_PlayerText	"Sets the start player. Determines the civ color. (Does not work, yet.)"

### Added Disclaimer Strings ###

str_ldl_Disclaimer1 "THIS MATERIAL IS NOT MADE OR SUPPORTED BY ACTIVISION."
str_ldl_Disclaimer2 "This version of Call To Power 2 was developed at http://apolyton.net."
str_ldl_Disclaimer3 "Contact the authors at ctp2source@apolyton.net."

### Version String ###

str_ldl_version "2003-12-23"

	21-01-2004 21:14									#2
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Assuming you're talking about the planet, note that (in English) "Neptune" has another 'e' in it, at the end.

	22-01-2004 18:18									#3
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I can translate the strings into French... If I am right, I have to patch my CtP2 with the source project file, find the add_str.txt and ldl_str.txt files and translate the content. Am I correct?

	22-01-2004 18:33									#4
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will some one translate my English to proper English.

	22-01-2004 22:25									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Tamerlin I can translate the strings into French... If I am right, I have to patch my CtP2 with the source project file, find the add_str.txt and ldl_str.txt files and translate the content. Am I correct?

For the first part you are correct.

Well for the second part you actual don't need to install the source patch, actual from the latest version only a uncompiled version is available.

Of course you can download these files for comparision, just to make shure that you insert the stuff at the same place. But actual you just need your two French files and insert somewhere the according strings I posted here in this thread.

And you don't need to translate the whole content of the English add_str.txt and ldl_str.txt, just take your own French versions of these files and add the strings and finally just translate the stuff you added. Otherwise you wouldn't be finished next year with this.

-Martin

	23-01-2004 16:17									#6
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I might give a try for a Greek translation making this game possibly the first non-Greek game that will be fully translated to Greek, assuming that I will translate some time in the future the entire game

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quote: Originally posted by Keygen I might give a try for a Greek translation making this game possibly the first non-Greek game that will be fully translated to Greek, assuming that I will translate some time in the future the entire game

That is an interesting project, Keygen. As far as I know ancient Greek is a highly inflected language I don't know how much is this true for modern Greek, but probably you have some more in Greek like just:

I go [no ending]
You go [no ending]
He goes [ending of third person singular]
She goes [ending of third person singular]
It goes [ending of third person singular]
We go [no ending]
You go [no ending]
They go [no ending]

And you have also the same personal pronoun for second person singular and plural.

German has more endings then English and also nouns are also inflected, as well verbs. So without the peoper forms you notice very well that someone wasn't able to translate soemthing correctly, like you can see in the German version of Civ2. A search for Middle English gives also results that can illustrate the problem.

CTP1 and CTP2 have in the German version huge str_loc.txt files, to solve the problem.

Another thing is that you shouldn't use the english directory to store your tanslated files like the translators for the Japanese version did.

To cope with this problem add a greek folder to all directories that contain an english folder. And open the civpath.txt and replace there the word English by Greek.

Of course for everyone else for other languages you have to replace greek by the name of your lanquage, if you aren't a Greek translator as well.

-Martin

	01-02-2004 01:59									#8
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Obviously I missed two Strings Fromafar added to the end of the ldl_str.txt:

code:

str_profile_CloseOnEyepoint			"Close Message When Clicking Eyeball"
str_profile_ShowExpensive			"Show Expensive Tile Improvement Effects"

code:

str_profile_CloseOnEyepoint "Meldung schließen beim Klicken auf das Auge"
str_profile_ShowExpensive "Kosten für Terrainverbes. auch bei Überschreitung der SB Reserve anzeigen"

	01-02-2004 21:54									#9
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Here are the add_str.txt and ldl_str.txt files with the new strings translated in French (including the last strings posted by Martin).

Attachment: newstrings_french_20040201.zip
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	01-02-2004 22:37									#10
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By the way Martin I am not sure I have properly understood what the following string means:

str_ldl_SPNGPS_MaxPlayerText "Sets the maximum number of players that could occur in a game."

I am a bit confused by the fact the default value is 0.

	01-02-2004 23:12									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Tamerlin By the way Martin I am not sure I have properly understood what the following string means: str_ldl_SPNGPS_MaxPlayerText "Sets the maximum number of players that could occur in a game." I am a bit confused by the fact the default value is 0.

Well afterwards I read this I don't understand it either, well I already noticed it some time ago that this is a little bit unprecise. It has to do with the MaxPlayer field in userprofile.txt, and determines the number up to that new players can be added in an existing game by revolts for example. If the maximum number of players is not reached, then every revolt generates a new civ, otherwise the revolting city becomes Barbarian.

So any suggestions to describe this in say two lines more properly?

-Martin

	01-02-2004 23:23									#12
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Thanks Martin, I think that it could be better like that:

str_ldl_SPNGPS_MaxPlayerText "Sets the maximum number of players that can appear during a game."

If you agree with this I will change my translation and post a new file.

	01-02-2004 23:54									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Tamerlin Thanks Martin, I think that it could be better like that: str_ldl_SPNGPS_MaxPlayerText "Sets the maximum number of players that can appear during a game." If you agree with this I will change my translation and post a new file.

I would like more precision but then I need much more lines that we don't have.

But anyway you can update your file and maybe you add also the updated English version, well for the German version I also have to come up with something maybe:

str_ldl_SPNGPS_MaxPlayerText "Setzt die Maximalanzahl der Spieler, die in einem Spiel erscheinen können."

Oh and please could you be so kind to update the German file as well.

-Martin

	02-02-2004 00:16									#14
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Fixed new strings:

Attachment: newstrings_english_french_german_20040201.zip
This has been downloaded 7 time(s).

	02-02-2004 01:37									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Martin Gühmann I would like more precision but then I need much more lines that we don't have.

As far as I remember we plan to produce some documentation... this is typically the kind of settings that needs to be further explained into a future Apolyton CtP2 manual.

	02-02-2004 21:51									#16
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How about "Sets the number of players which will not be exceeded by the creation of new players during a game" or just "Sets the number of players which will not be exceeded by the creation of new players".

	02-02-2004 23:04									#17
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IMO a translation like:

"Maximum number of civilizations that can be in play during a game"

...would be simpler and easier to understand, at least I think so.

If we can agree on a definition I will update the files when I post a new translation.

	02-02-2004 23:59									#18
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As it is the players screen I prefer players.

First suggestion:

"Maximum number of players that can be in play during a game simulatniously."
"Maximalanzahl der Spieler, die gleichzeitig in einem Spiel sein können."

"Sets the number of players which will not be exceeded by the creation of new players."

"Setzt die Anzahl der Speler, welche durch das Einsetzen neuer Spieler nicht überschritten wird."

Well I rather prefer the first one also I would like have a Sets at the first place, but I think we can skip it.

-Martin

	03-02-2004 00:29									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Tamerlin IMO a translation like: "Maximum number of civilizations that can be in play during a game" ...would be simpler and easier to understand, at least I think so.

The problem is that it's inaccurate, since you can start with more players than that, but it's not really a big deal.

	04-02-2004 14:45									#20
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How about:

Maximum number of possible civilizations, including human player(s), in a new game?

Maximal Anzahl von moeglichen Zivilisationen, einschliesslich menschlicher Spieler, in einem neuen Spiel?



John, since when can you have more than MaxPLayer?

	04-02-2004 21:38									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Gilgamensch John, since when can you have more than MaxPLayer?

When you start with them. You can have MaxPlayer=0, but that doesn't mean that there will never be any players.

	05-02-2004 15:38									#22
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I thought with the graphical interface you select the number of active CIV's and the maxplayer indicates, how many rebels can be there?

And no I never tried 0

	06-02-2004 19:32									#23
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Well, Tamerlin said that the default value was zero, so I assumed it was possible.

	06-02-2004 19:40									#24
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Yes I confirm that the default value displayed when you open the window is 0.

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quote: Originally posted by Gilgamensch I thought with the graphical interface you select the number of active CIV's and the maxplayer indicates, how many rebels can be there?

No, that can be never determined before the start of the game, if you set MaxPlayer on 10 and you start with 8 civs, then players are added until 10 is reached. So if you can kill always a newly created civ than in theory the number of rebels is unlimited, because MaxPlayers is never reached.

If you set MaxPlayers=0 then whenever a city revolts it turns Barbarian. But if you start with 3 players and you set MaxPlayers to 2 then at least two players must be eleminated before new civs can be added.

-Martin

-Martin

	09-02-2004 14:10									#26
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Thanks Martin,

NOW (even me) understands

	09-02-2004 21:44									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Gilgamensch Thanks Martin, NOW (even me) understands

Yeah but unfortunatly the problem is still there to explain it in one or two lines.

-Martin

	10-02-2004 03:40									#28
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How about "See readme for details" .

	10-02-2004 04:41									#29
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quote: Originally posted by J Bytheway How about "See readme for details" .

I agree with you, though I think that replacing "players" with "civilizations" would make the sentence more explicit.

	10-02-2004 05:11									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Tamerlin I agree with you, though I think that replacing "players" with "civilizations" would make the sentence more explicit.

Well I think I substructed the Barbarian player from the number displayed in the other spinner, so actual t doesn't matter if we call them players or civilisations. So change it to civilisations, here are the two suggestions again:

"Maximum number of civilsations that can be in play during a game simulatniously."
"Maximalanzahl der Zivilisationen, die gleichzeitig in einem Spiel sein können."

"Sets the number of civilisations which will not be exceeded by the creation of new players."
"Setzt die Anzahl der Zivilisationen, welche durch das Einsetzen neuer Zivilisationen nicht überschritten wird."

And again I prefer the first version.

-Martin