18-04-2004 17:28									#91
	Support Apolyton

How about Direct IP Game?

	18-04-2004 17:55									#92
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

quote: Originally posted by Solver How about Direct IP Game?

CtP2 multiplayer games are played through a server not through direct IP links as in Civ2 MP.

	18-04-2004 18:23									#93
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Technically, yes. But saying a server game would suck pretty much. But I would indeed also assume that LAN falls under "Network Game". Age of Mythology button for playing on servers says "Online", under Multiplayer, which also has the "Direct IP" and "LAN" buttons.

	19-04-2004 05:08									#94
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

[NOTE]I am posting again what I have posted yesterday in the Playtest thread as the Translation Center thread seems more appropriate.[/NOTE]

The text displayed in the lower part of the screen in the French version of the main interface needs to be changed, the text is too long and should be shortened so that the letters in the middle of the sentence do not overlap:

[CHANGE]

Cette version de Call to Power 2 a été développée sur le site http://apolyton.net. Contact : ctp2source@apolyton.net

[/CHANGE]

	19-04-2004 12:28									#95
	Put an end to popups!

quote: Originally posted by Martin Gühmann Not quite, I just discovered a copy and paste error by me. Therefore player[0].government; doesn't work as expected, of course there are other ways to get the GovernmentDB index, but that shouldn't be a problem to fix the mistake, I just want to add more. -Martin

OK, waiting

	19-04-2004 12:31									#96
	Tired of ads?

quote: Originally posted by Tamerlin Gilgamensch, I do not agree with you about gold, though it would add some flavor this is a game term and my experience as a former game translator tells me it is bad to change such things.

Don't really see the problem here. Just adding more empire feeling We are not changing really anything, just trying to give it more taste.

	19-04-2004 18:38									#97
	Got spare money?

quote: Originally posted by Solver Network Game = Netzwerk Spiel in German. Don't know though if it's regularly used - I'm more used to seeing Mehrspieler, which stands for Multiplayer, but Netzwerk Spiel should be fine.

Actually Netzwerk normally refers to a LAN connection or a network of LAN's. (actually even roads/streets/motorways can be refered to as a Netzwerk )

Mehrspieler could be anything, LAN/hotseat/WAN/IP/......It just means multiplayer.

But Netzwerk Spiel is OK to be used.

Heck, we are even used to read manuals which are halfway written in not sure which language. I think some people don't even use the free translators on the www correctly.

	19-04-2004 19:02									#98
	Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

quote: Originally posted by Gilgamensch Don't really see the problem here. Just adding more empire feeling We are not changing really anything, just trying to give it more taste.

You can add much flavor in most of the strings but I still think that major game terms like Gold should not be replaced, these are things that are somewhat engraved in the marble. The newcomers need some landmarks and Gold should not change according to the era or the government. This is a matter of coherence with the rest of the game.

This opinion is coming from my experience in the "paper" gaming industry, one must never change an important game term once a translation has been chosen and publish. When I finish my translation of the SAP2 (one day) I would like to rework all the French strings to add to CtP2 the flavor it is often missing... I don't know when I have the courage to start working on this project but I know for sure that Gold will stay Gold.

	19-04-2004 19:17									#99
	Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

quote: Originally posted by Tamerlin You can add much flavor in most of the strings but I still think that major game terms like Gold should not be replaced, these are things that are somewhat engraved in the marble. The newcomers need some landmarks and Gold should not change according to the era or the government. This is a matter of coherence with the rest of the game. This opinion is coming from my experience in the "paper" gaming industry, one must never change an important game term once a translation has been chosen and publish. When I finish my translation of the SAP2 (one day) I would like to rework all the French strings to add to CtP2 the flavor it is often missing... I don't know when I have the courage to start working on this project but I know for sure that Gold will stay Gold.

For me it actually sounds funny (to say it friendly) that in Demo's and similar you still refer to it as gold. Take the western world, do you really think we still trade with gold? (I know the French are always different, or was it the English ) Nobody uses nowadays gold anymore. It is just 'electronical' calculated. They might be some gold-reserves existing, but they are not used anymore. So if it says like rushbuy for 20.000 gold........that sounds strange for a project like a fusion tank in a Technocracy

	19-04-2004 19:32									#100
	Remove this text

Ahh but that's the way this game is! Civ has some cornerstones to it - gold is gold, Setllers found cities, Barbarians are annoying and so on .

	19-04-2004 19:41									#101
	Suffering from ads?

quote: Originally posted by Gilgamensch ... (I know the French are always different, or was it the English ...

You are obviously talking about the English.

quote: Nobody uses nowadays gold anymore. It is just 'electronical' calculated. They might be some gold-reserves existing, but they are not used anymore. So if it says like rushbuy for 20.000 gold........that sounds strange for a project like a fusion tank in a Technocracy

I know, I know, but Game Terms are Game Terms, they should remain unchanged all along the game.

	19-04-2004 21:50									#102
	Inflate your Upload Space

quote: Originally posted by Tamerlin You are obviously talking about the English.

I beg to differ - he is obviously talking about the French .

If you're going to change the concept of gold then you really should start worrying about exchange rates and inflation and many other economic concepts which have no place in a game like this.

	19-04-2004 21:57									#103
	Suffering from ads?

quote: Originally posted by J Bytheway I beg to differ - he is obviously talking about the French .

Long live the Entente Cordiale...

	20-04-2004 02:43									#104
	Suffering from ads?

Personally I think the game should use 'Pieces of Silver'

	20-04-2004 02:47									#105
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

Or just say 'Things that our country posesses that do for some reason have a universal value' .

	20-04-2004 03:22									#106
	Got spare money?

quote: Originally posted by Solver Or just say 'Things that our country posesses that do for some reason have a universal value' .

Which have the great advantage of being easy to use in the main interface.

	20-04-2004 03:25									#107
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

It would abbreviate nicely to 'Things' .

	20-04-2004 13:54									#108
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

quote: Originally posted by J Bytheway If you're going to change the concept of gold then you really should start worrying about exchange rates and inflation and many other economic concepts which have no place in a game like this.

Can't see this really happening, but:

Which concept of gold? Every bloody nation has its own currency and might have changed this couple of times as well..........So there is no universal concept. The only concept which is/was there, that at one point somebody 'forced' the people to accept some funny coins with pictures or similar on, instead of exchanging my cow against 2 machine guns (or similar). But the value of a currency is even nowadays not determined or valued by a single person/institute/organisation. So it isn't a universal concept at all...............Best example in the moment the 'struggle' of the US with China.

	20-04-2004 14:01									#109
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

quote: Originally posted by Gilgamensch Which concept of gold?

The civ concept of gold, of course .

But you're right, even the value of gold in the real world is not universal, but it's better than currency...

	20-04-2004 19:05									#110
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Yeah, but country wealth isn't measured in gold anymore, and it's not like the value of currency of a particular country depends on it gold reserves, either.

If you have a kilogram block of gold now, you won't go into a shop and buy what you want, you'll have to sell it somehow which is actually quite a tiresome process.

	20-04-2004 19:37									#111
	Get a bigger avatar today!

quote: Originally posted by J Bytheway The civ concept of gold, of course .

This is the point.

Just because you can do fun things with words in German does not mean you should. This change cannot be represented in other languages and misrepresents what the concept "Gold" in CTP2 actually is and does.

	20-04-2004 19:39									#112
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

Well, there isn't a problem at all really, since everyone who has played any version of civ before knows that gold means money.

Look, in SMAC, they called it credits, because of the overall sci-fi setting - energy credits, to be specific. Yet I see SMAC players refer to them as gold probably more than as credits...

	20-04-2004 19:45									#113
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

quote: Originally posted by Flinx This is the point. Just because you can do fun things with words in German does not mean you should. This change cannot be represented in other languages and misrepresents what the concept "Gold" in CTP2 actually is and does.

Flinx,

check this post for an English version. It works in all languages.

And as Solver mentioned, doesn't really matter how you call, people will know it is gold..........but it would add a better feeling.

	20-04-2004 20:01									#114
	Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

Gilg, honestly, how many times do you read the message boxes? I don't read the full texts, I just notice which city and what happens.... like, Cleric, Trondheim, and I know what's going on .

	20-04-2004 20:11									#115
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

quote: Originally posted by Solver Gilg, honestly, how many times do you read the message boxes? I don't read the full texts, I just notice which city and what happens.... like, Cleric, Trondheim, and I know what's going on .

I read it every time.......

OK honestly: I actually even shortened some of the messages as the city went out of the box and didn't really bothered about opening the message........So same as for you, what, where and that's it

But, me thinks, it would still give it a better flavour. Even as you might not recognise it. Otherwise we could also reduce all the graphics and so on.....

	20-04-2004 20:18									#116
	Full PM-box? Change here!

Yes, a better flavor or atmosphere, possibly, but I am showing that this shouldn't be too much of a priority becaue once one gets used to messages, they're no longer read in full text.

In Civ3, you gain a tech, ad the text depends on your advancement level - you're told that your Sages discovered the secret, or scientists discovered the technology, etc.... yet most players hardly if ever notice it.

	20-04-2004 20:24									#117
	Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

quote: Originally posted by Solver Yes, a better flavor or atmosphere, possibly, but I am showing that this shouldn't be too much of a priority because once one gets used to messages, they're no longer read in full text. In Civ3, you gain a tech, ad the text depends on your advancement level - you're told that your Sages discovered the secret, or scientists discovered the technology, etc.... yet most players hardly if ever notice it.

again agreed. But like if you concentrate on it again, you might enjoy it better. There are even things which you might only 'recognise' via your subconscious way. Espacially if you play it again after a long break and similar, you might actually really enjoy it. But most of us, which I consider, hardcore players they couldn't be bothered less. But like even myself, when not having played for 2 month, I realised a few little things in the graphics and similar, which I missed while having a play with civ2 ToT.

	20-04-2004 20:31									#118
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

Well yes it does create a better overal feeling of the game, and yes, the subconscious mind probably does notice this. Like what I really love about RoN - the game seems to have extreme polish and fantastic attention to detail. Same goes for AOE2, one of the most polished games I've seen.

	20-04-2004 21:24									#119
	Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

quote: Originally posted by Flinx Just because you can do fun things with words in German does not mean you should. This change cannot be represented in other languages and misrepresents what the concept "Gold" in CTP2 actually is and does.

What are the fun things I can do in German? Well the difference between the original English version and my German version is that the English version refers to the place at that the gold is stored, and tells the player that it is empty. My German version that there is not enough gold ok actual that there is no gold, but that means that the place at that the gold is stored is empty.

-Martin

	20-04-2004 22:01									#120
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

Well, this case or not, but one can do fun things with German, like making great long words, like, uh Spielprogrammerscompilersautorsfraushund .