29-03-2004 03:43									#61
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As I posted it in the Playtest thread I think I can provide you rather quickly a French translation of the updated original Great Library if you can tell me what are the modified entries.

	11-04-2004 02:35									#62
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Hi Martin,

Adapting the unit Updater2 so that it can be used with the playtest versions reminded me there isn't a German translation of this mod.

If you have the time to make one I will be glad to include it in the Updater2 files I will post as soon as I have tested the mod with the latest playtest version.



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### Unit Updater2 strings
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NEXT "NEXT =>"
BACK "<= BACK"
NEXT_TYPE "Next type"

ObsUnitsFirstM "Great news, Sire! Our recent discovery will allow us to re-train and re-equip some of our military units. We have already switched production to the new units but we have some old units in use. Shall I proceed?"

ObsUnitsCostOKandOneUnitM "We have {NUM_OBS_UNITS} {OBS_UNIT_ARRAY[0].name} unit who is pleading for more modern equipment. It will cost {TOTAL_COST} gold to provide them with it and we have enough gold in the treasury. Shall we re-train and re-equip them?"
ObsUnitsCostOKandOneUnitButMoreTypesM "We have {NUM_OBS_UNITS} {OBS_UNIT_ARRAY[0].name} unit who is pleading for more modern equipment. It will cost {TOTAL_COST} gold to provide them with it and we have enough gold in the treasury. Shall we retrain and re-equip all of them?
\n I must remind you that we have {OTHER_TYPES} other type(s) of unit who are also demanding new equipment"

ObsUnitsCostOKM "We have {NUM_OBS_UNITS} {OBS_UNIT_ARRAY[0].name} units who are pleading for more modern equipment. It will cost {TOTAL_COST} gold to provide them with it and we have enough gold in the treasury. Shall we retrain and re-equip all of them?"
ObsUnitsCostOKandMoreTypesM "We have {NUM_OBS_UNITS} {OBS_UNIT_ARRAY[0].name} units who are pleading for more modern equipment. It will cost {TOTAL_COST} gold to provide them with it and we have enough gold in the treasury. Shall we retrain and re-equip all of them?
\n I must remind you that we have {OTHER_TYPES} other type(s) of unit who are also demanding new equipment"

SOME "Not all. Show me them."

PartialUpdateM "Shall we modernize this unit? \n\n It will cost us {PER_UNIT_UPDATE_COST[UPDATE_TYPES_ARRAY[UPDATE_TY
PES_INDEX]]} gold and it's unit number {OBS_UNIT_INDEX_PLUS} of {NUM_OBS_UNITS} of this type.\n\n Caution: Updating the last unit of this type will end this update cycle."
ObsUnitsCostNotEnoughGoldM "We have {NUM_OBS_UNITS} {OBS_UNIT_ARRAY[0].name} units who are pleading for more modern equipment. It would cost {TOTAL_COST} gold to modernize those units but we don't have enough gold in the treasury. Shall we retrain and re-equip some of them?"
ObsUnitsCostNotEnoughGoldandMoreTypesM "We have {NUM_OBS_UNITS} {OBS_UNIT_ARRAY[0].name} units who are pleading for more modern equipment. It would cost {TOTAL_COST} gold to modernize those units but we don't have enough gold in the treasury. Shall we retrain and re-equip some of them?
\n I must remind you that we have {OTHER_TYPES} other type(s) of unit who are also demanding new equipment"

NoMoreGoldM "Sire, I regret to inform you that the treasury is bare."

UpdateUnitMTxt "Do you want to update this unit?"

AutoUnitUpdateQtxt"Do you want to automate that procedure?
\n\n Choosing 'Yes' means that whenever you press the 'Sentinel' ('Sleep') button, if it's possible to update the unit then it will be done without asking you if you want to do it."

	11-04-2004 04:25									#63
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Well that should it be:

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### Unit Updater2 strings
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NEXT "WEITER =>"
BACK "<= ZURÜCK"
NEXT_TYPE "Nächter Typ"

ObsUnitsFirstM "Große Neuigkeiten, Sir! Unsere kürzliche Entdeckung erlaubt uns, unsere Militäreinheiten besser zu trainieren und neu auszustatten. Wir haben bereits die Produktion auf die neuen Einheiten umgestellt aber wir haben noch einige veraltete Einheiten im Einsatz. Fortfahren?"


ObsUnitsCostOKandOneUnitM "Wir haben {NUM_OBS_UNITS} {OBS_UNIT_ARRAY[0].name} Einheit(en), die nach neuer Ausrüstung verlangen. Es wird uns ({TOTAL_COST}) Gold kosten, um sie damit zu versorgen, wir besitzen genug Gold. Sollen wir alle aufrüsten?"
ObsUnitsCostOKandOneUnitButMoreTypesM "Wir haben {NUM_OBS_UNITS} {OBS_UNIT_ARRAY[0].name} Einheit(en), die nach neuer Ausrüstung verlangen. Es wird uns ({TOTAL_COST}) Gold kosten, um sie damit zu versorgen, wir besitzen genug Gold. Sollen wir alle aufrüsten?
\n Vergessen Sie nicht wir haben noch {OTHER_TYPES} Einheitentyp(en), die nach neuer Ausrüstung verlangen."

ObsUnitsCostOKM "Wir haben {NUM_OBS_UNITS} {OBS_UNIT_ARRAY[0].name} Einheiten, die nach neuer Ausrüstung verlangen. Es wird uns ({TOTAL_COST}) Gold kosten, um sie damit zu versorgen, wir besitzen genug Gold. Sollen wir alle aufrüsten?"
ObsUnitsCostOKandMoreTypesM "Wir haben {NUM_OBS_UNITS} {OBS_UNIT_ARRAY[0].name} Einheiten, die nach neuer Ausrüstung verlangen. Es wird uns ({TOTAL_COST}) Gold kosten, um sie damit zu versorgen, wir besitzen genug Gold. Sollen wir alle aufrüsten?
\n Vergessen Sie nicht wir haben noch {OTHER_TYPES} Einheitentyp(en), die nach neuer Ausrüstung verlangen."


SOME "Einige"

PartialUpdateM "Soll diese Einheit modernisiert werden? \n\n Es wird {PER_UNIT_UPDATE_COST[UPDATE_TYPES_ARRAY[UPDATE_TY

PES_INDEX]]} Gold kosten und es ist Einheit Nummer {OBS_UNIT_INDEX_PLUS} von {NUM_OBS_UNITS} dieses Types.\n\n Vorsicht: Aufrüsten dieser letzten Einheit diesen Modernisierungszyklus beenden."
ObsUnitsCostNotEnoughGoldM "Wir haben {NUM_OBS_UNITS} {OBS_UNIT_ARRAY[0].name} Einheiten, die nach neuer Ausrüstung verlangen. Es wird {TOTAL_COST} Gold kosten um alle diese Einheiten zu modernisieren aber wir haben nicht genug Gold. Sollen wir einige von ihnen aufrüsten?"
ObsUnitsCostNotEnoughGoldandMoreTypesM "Wir haben {NUM_OBS_UNITS} {OBS_UNIT_ARRAY[0].name} Einheiten, die nach neuer Ausrüstung verlangen. Es wird {TOTAL_COST} Gold kosten um alle diese Einheiten zu modernisieren aber wir haben nicht genug Gold. Sollen wir einige von ihnen aufrüsten?
\n Vergessen Sie nicht wir haben noch {OTHER_TYPES} Einheitentyp(en), die nach neuer Ausrüstung verlangen."

NoMoreGoldM "Herr, die Reichsgoldreserven sind erschöpft."

UpdateUnitMTxt "Soll diese Einheit modernisiert werden?"

AutoUnitUpdateQtxt "Soll diese Prozedur automatisiert werden?
\n\n 'Ja' heißt, dass wenn der Schlafen/An Board gehen Befehl gegeben wird, und falls es möglich ist diese Einheit aufzurüsten, wird diese Einheit ohne Rückfrage aufgerüstet."

	11-04-2004 05:05									#64
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Thanks Martin, German Updater2_str.txt file now created...

Note these strings are the same as those of the APOL Updater2, if you want to use them with the SAP2 just copy these strings into the APOL_main_str.txt located in your language folder.

	14-04-2004 13:17									#65
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Some corrections Martin:

quote: Originally posted by Martin Gühmann Well that should it be: NEXT_TYPE "Nächster Typ" PartialUpdateM "Soll diese Einheit modernisiert werden? \n\n Es wird {PER_UNIT_UPDATE_COST[UPDATE_TYPES_ARRAY[UPDATE_TY PES_INDEX]]} Gold kosten und es ist Einheit Nummer {OBS_UNIT_INDEX_PLUS} von {NUM_OBS_UNITS} dieses Types.\n\n Vorsicht: Aufrüsten dieser letzten Einheit wird diesen Modernisierungszyklus beenden." NoMoreGoldM "Herr, die Reichsgoldreserven sind erschöpft." Dont' really like this one, why not just: NoMoreGoldM "Herr, die Goldreserven sind erschöpft."

	14-04-2004 22:46									#66
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Gilgamensch once I want to give it some flaviour you remove it again. What do you dislike of Reichsgoldreserven, of the gold reserves of the empire?

-Martin

	15-04-2004 12:26									#67
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Martin,

it isn't to remove some flavour but:

When you are a not longer Monarchy/Dictator and similar, you don't refer to yourself as Reich anymore. If you are a Democ./Rep/whatever you change to something else.

If we can implement this I don't have any issue with it. But otherwise it would sound a bit funny.

Similar if you would leave all the time like this:

Herrscher, unsere Reichsgoldreserven sind erschöpft. That would be even more funny when under democracy.

I just wanted to make it a bit more neutral, nothing else

	15-04-2004 23:53									#68
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quote: Originally posted by Gilgamensch If we can implement this I don't have any issue with it. But otherwise it would sound a bit funny.

Why implementing it have yoou seen this:

quote: From German version of str_loc.txt ### GOVERNMENTS GRAMMAR ### GOVERNMENT_ANARCHY_ARTICLE_SMALL "die Anarchie" GOVERNMENT_TYRANNY_ARTICLE_SMALL "die Tyrannei" GOVERNMENT_MONARCHY_ARTICLE_SMALL "die Monarchie" GOVERNMENT_THEOCRACY_ARTICLE_SMALL "die Theokratie" GOVERNMENT_COMMUNISM_ARTICLE_SMALL "den Kommunismus" GOVERNMENT_FASCISM_ARTICLE_SMALL "den Faschismus" GOVERNMENT_REPUBLIC_ARTICLE_SMALL "die Republik" GOVERNMENT_DEMOCRACY_ARTICLE_SMALL "die Demokratie" GOVERNMENT_CORPORATE_REPUBLIC_ARTICLE_SMALL "die Handelsrepublik" GOVERNMENT_ECOTOPIA_ARTICLE_SMALL "die Ökotopie" GOVERNMENT_TECHNOCRACY_ARTICLE_SMALL "die Technokratie" GOVERNMENT_VIRTUAL_DEMOCRACY_ARTICLE_SMALL "die virtuelle Demokratie" GOVERNMENT_ANARCHY_CHANGE_TO "zur Anarchie" GOVERNMENT_TYRANNY_CHANGE_TO "zur Tyrannei" GOVERNMENT_MONARCHY_CHANGE_TO "zur Monarchie" GOVERNMENT_THEOCRACY_CHANGE_TO "zur Theokratie" GOVERNMENT_COMMUNISM_CHANGE_TO "zum Kommunismus" GOVERNMENT_FASCISM_CHANGE_TO "zum Faschismus" GOVERNMENT_REPUBLIC_CHANGE_TO "zur Republik" GOVERNMENT_DEMOCRACY_CHANGE_TO "zur Demokratie" GOVERNMENT_CORPORATE_REPUBLIC_CHANGE_TO "zur Handelsrepublik" GOVERNMENT_ECOTOPIA_CHANGE_TO "zur Ökotopie" GOVERNMENT_TECHNOCRACY_CHANGE_TO "zur Technokratie" GOVERNMENT_VIRTUAL_DEMOCRACY_CHANGE_TO "zur virtuellen Demokratie"

-Martin

	16-04-2004 12:42									#69
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Martin,

Yes thats for the government, but can we have this similar for the gold?

Like if Monarchy, Tyranny and similar using Reich for the Gold.
Democ. and similar maybe using: Bundesgoldreserven. (or similar)

Is it possible?

	16-04-2004 13:13									#70
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And Martin, I agree with your sugestion of more flavour.

possible like this?

CURRENCY_ANARCHY_CHANGE_TO "gehortetes Gold"
CURRENCY_TYRANNY_CHANGE_TO "Reichsgoldreserven"
CURRENCY_MONARCHY_CHANGE_TO "Reichsgoldreserven"
CURRENCY_THEOCRACY_CHANGE_TO "Absolutionsgoldreserven"
CURRENCY_COMMUNISM_CHANGE_TO "Allgemeingutgoldreserven"
CURRENCY_FASCISM_CHANGE_TO "Reichsgoldreserven"
CURRENCY_REPUBLIC_CHANGE_TO "Bundesgoldreserven"
CURRENCY_DEMOCRACY_CHANGE_TO "Bundesgoldreserven"
CURRENCY_CORPORATE_REPUBLIC_CHANGE_TO "Hansegoldreserven"
CURRENCY_ECOTOPIA_CHANGE_TO "Ökoreperationsreservern"
CURRENCY_TECHNOCRACY_CHANGE_TO ""
CURRENCY_VIRTUAL_DEMOCRACY_CHANGE_TO ""

And for the last two once no idea in the moment

	16-04-2004 22:24									#71
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I think for communism "Volksgoldreserven" is better as you can find it in "Volkseigentum", for Virtual Democracy we have "Egoldreserven", maybe also for Technocracy. Then we just need to figure out how they made CTP2 use the government specific strings and of course an translation to English, French, Italian and Spain.

-Martin

	17-04-2004 05:04									#72
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quote: Originally posted by Martin Gühmann Then we just need to figure out how they made CTP2 use the government specific strings and of course an translation to English, French, Italian and Spain. -Martin

I can provide the French strings, whether the original French ones or a translation of my own.

	17-04-2004 12:02									#73
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A small suggestion for the English, if it is found to be needed. I only know some context from:

quote: NoMoreGoldM "Herr, die Goldreserven sind erschöpft."

and

quote: NoMoreGoldM "Sire, I regret to inform you that the treasury is bare."

I'm guessing the German means, "Sir, the gold reserves are exhausted." I took some liberties with the added color, I hope it's not too liberally applied.

CURRENCY_ANARCHY_CHANGE_TO "Treasure Chest"
CURRENCY_TYRANNY_CHANGE_TO "Treasure Room"
CURRENCY_MONARCHY_CHANGE_TO "Royal Treasury"
CURRENCY_THEOCRACY_CHANGE_TO "Lord's Coffer"
CURRENCY_COMMUNISM_CHANGE_TO "Worker's Surplus"
CURRENCY_FASCISM_CHANGE_TO "Party's Vault"
CURRENCY_REPUBLIC_CHANGE_TO "People's Bank"
CURRENCY_DEMOCRACY_CHANGE_TO "Federal Reserve"
CURRENCY_CORPORATE_REPUBLIC_CHANGE_TO "People's Reserve and Trust"
CURRENCY_ECOTOPIA_CHANGE_TO "Golden Bosom of Gaia"
CURRENCY_TECHNOCRACY_CHANGE_TO "Liquid Capital Accumulator"
CURRENCY_VIRTUAL_DEMOCRACY_CHANGE_TO "Virtual Capital Accumulator"

But is CURRENCY_ the right prefix? Shouldn't it be TREASURY_?

	17-04-2004 15:44									#74
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quote: Originally posted by drulius I took some liberties with the added color, I hope it's not too liberally applied.

I am afraid your quotes are a bit too liberal, at least for me, but they are fun anyway.

I don't think we should depart from the word gold or treasury because the first is a game term and because the second one is perhaps the only one that will be associated with gold or money by everybody.

IMO we have much more freedom with the titles given to the player according to the current government:

Examples:

- "Prime Secretary" (of the party), "Father of the People" or "Enlightened Guide" would be appropriate for Communism.

- "General Coordinator" could apply to the Corporate Republic

- "Great Lemur" or "Gaia's messenger" would be OK for an Ecotopia.

	17-04-2004 20:27									#75
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quote: Originally posted by Martin Gühmann I think for communism "Volksgoldreserven" is better as you can find it in "Volkseigentum", for Virtual Democracy we have "Egoldreserven", maybe also for Technocracy. -Martin

CURRENCY_ANARCHY_CHANGE_TO "gehortetes Gold"
CURRENCY_TYRANNY_CHANGE_TO "Reichsgoldreserven"
CURRENCY_MONARCHY_CHANGE_TO "Reichsgoldreserven"
CURRENCY_THEOCRACY_CHANGE_TO "Absolutionsgoldreserven"
CURRENCY_COMMUNISM_CHANGE_TO "Volksgoldreserven"
CURRENCY_FASCISM_CHANGE_TO "Reichsgoldreserven"
CURRENCY_REPUBLIC_CHANGE_TO "Bundesgoldreserven"
CURRENCY_DEMOCRACY_CHANGE_TO "Bundesgoldreserven"
CURRENCY_CORPORATE_REPUBLIC_CHANGE_TO "Hansegoldreserven"
CURRENCY_ECOTOPIA_CHANGE_TO "Ökoreperationsreservern"
CURRENCY_TECHNOCRACY_CHANGE_TO "Egoldreserven"
CURRENCY_VIRTUAL_DEMOCRACY_CHANGE_TO "Egoldreserven"

OK agreed Volksgoldreserven sounds better

quote: Then we just need to figure out how they made CTP2 use the government specific strings and of course an translation to English, French, Italian and Spain.

The first part I think will be the biggest problem

	17-04-2004 20:35									#76
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quote: Originally posted by Tamerlin I don't think we should depart from the word gold or treasury because the first is a game term and because the second one is perhaps the only one that will be associated with gold or money by everybody.

As Martin mentioned he wanted to add some flavour to the game and for this I agree.

adding your suggestion on top:

quote: IMO we have much more freedom with the titles given to the player according to the current government: Examples: - "Prime Secretary" (of the party), "Father of the People" or "Enlightened Guide" would be appropriate for Communism. - "General Coordinator" could apply to the Corporate Republic - "Great Lemur" or "Gaia's messenger" would be OK for an Ecotopia.

will make it even better

I (personally) never liked that whatever you are as a government you always use the same title and name for gold and so on, why shall we not change it? It gives at least for me a better 'feeling'.

For the game perspective (to program it), this is for Martin and others to find out

	17-04-2004 22:21									#77
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quote: Originally posted by drulius But is CURRENCY_ the right prefix? Shouldn't it be TREASURY_?

The only problem is that it doesn't work with a prefix it must be a postfix.

Then you can replace it in the text with:

{government[0].name#CURRENCY}

So something like this:

NoMoreGoldM "Herr, die {government[0].name#CURRENCY}
sind erschöpft."

The string table should look like this:

ANARCHY_CURRENCY "Reserven an gehortetem Gold"
TYRANNY_CURRENCY "Reichsgoldreserven"
MONARCHY_CURRENCY "Reichsgoldreserven"
THEOCRACY_CURRENCY "Absolutionsgoldreserven"
COMMUNISM_CURRENCY "Volksgoldreserven"
FASCISM_CURRENCY "Reichsgoldreserven"
REPUBLIC_CURRENCY "Bundesgoldreserven"
DEMOCRACY_CURRENCY "Bundesgoldreserven"
CORPORATE_REPUBLIC_CURRENCY "Hansegoldreserven"
ECOTOPIA_CURRENCY "Ökoreperationsreservern"
TECHNOCRACY_CURRENCY "Egoldreserven"
VIRTUAL_DEMOCRACY_CURRENCY "Egoldreserven"

I had to modify the first entry to correct the grammar, and to prevent the sentence from a break.

Now the government array has to be filled to do this insert into the slic code that calls the message box the in front of the Message function.

government[0] = player[0].government;

Note that this doesn't work when player[0] is not filled, so you have to fill it before. Otherwise use the player variable that is used to call the message box.

And a second note you need our lastest playtest build to do it like this.

-Martin

	17-04-2004 22:41									#78
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So the money part we can already include ??????????

Sounds good

Any chance for the title as well?

And me thinks:

The table you proposed looks good. Except that we have two doubles

What about for Monarchy: Königliche Goldreserven

	17-04-2004 22:44									#79
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COMMUNISM_CURRENCY "Keingoldreserven"

Can't resist .

	17-04-2004 22:45									#80
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quote: {government[0].name#CURRENCY}

What I meant was currency means the actual physical money, coins and bills. In this case currency would seem to be making government specific names for gold. If it was {government[0].name#TREASURY} it would be more semantically related to the string that is actually being replaced.

Tamerlin,
I agree, I think my suggestions were too over the top for a general Apolyton Edition, but having the option for scenarios and stuff could make for some colorful alternate universes...

	17-04-2004 22:47									#81
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quote: Originally posted by Solver COMMUNISM_CURRENCY "Keingoldreserven" Can't resist .

	17-04-2004 22:49									#82
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quote: Originally posted by drulius Tamerlin, I agree, I think my suggestions were too over the top for a general Apolyton Edition, but having the option for scenarios and stuff could make for some colorful alternate universes...

Not sure, why you find it so much over the top sounds still decent to me.......

	18-04-2004 00:02									#83
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quote: Originally posted by Gilgamensch So the money part we can already include ??????????

Not quite, I just discovered a copy and paste error by me. Therefore player[0].government; doesn't work as expected, of course there are other ways to get the GovernmentDB index, but that shouldn't be a problem to fix the mistake, I just want to add more.

-Martin

	18-04-2004 03:50									#84
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quote: Originally posted by drulius ...but having the option for scenarios and stuff could make for some colorful alternate universes...

I agree with you, scenarios allow much more leeway.

Gilgamensch, I do not agree with you about gold, though it would add some flavor this is a game term and my experience as a former game translator tells me it is bad to change such things.

	18-04-2004 04:46									#85
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Some strings that need changing:

str_ldl_CREDITS "Credits"
str_ldl_LOAD_GAME "Load Game"
str_ldl_MULTIPLAYER "Network Game"
str_ldl_NEW_GAME "New Game"
str_ldl_OPTIONS "Options"
str_ldl_PLAY_TUTORIAL "Tutorial"

(meaning of all but MULTIPLAYER remains unchanged, but they should be made lower case)

	18-04-2004 06:35									#86
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Perhaps am I tired but I don't understand why these strings need to be changed or even how they could be...

	18-04-2004 14:06									#87
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In that case, just tell me the translation of "Network Game" and I'll do the rest .

But seriously, these are the strings on the buttons on the main menu screen, and used to all be in CAPITALS, whereas some other strings were in lower case, but we've decided that it looks better when they are all in lower case. Don't worry about that too much, however, because I've done all the case changes myself already (and in fact, most of the French strings were in lower case already).

The other change is that the button which used to say "MULTIPLAYER" should now say "Network Game" because that's more logical and consistent.

I've just realised that we still have a problem, however, because the titles "SINGLE PLAYER" and "MULTIPLAYER" on the screen in question are in the picture, rather than being drawn on top as strings, so they can't be translated...

	18-04-2004 16:37									#88
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quote: Originally posted by J Bytheway In that case, just tell me the translation of "Network Game" and I'll do the rest .

The accurate translation of "Network Game" is "Jeu en Réseau", but these words are generally used for LAN games in France (as opposed to a "Partie Multijoueurs" - Multiplayer Game) and it could confuse some users.

"Network Game" could alternatively be translated as "Mode Multijoueurs".

quote: But seriously, these are the strings on the buttons on the main menu screen, and used to all be in CAPITALS, whereas some other strings were in lower case, but we've decided that it looks better when they are all in lower case. Don't worry about that too much, however, because I've done all the case changes myself already (and in fact, most of the French strings were in lower case already). The other change is that the button which used to say "MULTIPLAYER" should now say "Network Game" because that's more logical and consistent.

Thanks for the explanation J Bytheway...

	18-04-2004 17:00									#89
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Network Game = Netzwerk Spiel in German. Don't know though if it's regularly used - I'm more used to seeing Mehrspieler, which stands for Multiplayer, but Netzwerk Spiel should be fine.

	18-04-2004 17:06									#90
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quote: Originally posted by Tamerlin The accurate translation of "Network Game" is "Jeu en Réseau", but these words are generally used for LAN games in France (as opposed to a "Partie Multijoueurs" - Multiplayer Game) and it could confuse some users.

Yes, we have the same problem in English - there is no term which covers both LAN and Internet games, but excludes hotseat and PBEM. Network Game was the best we could come up with...