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Spiffor is offline Spiffor
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Many conservatives or even reactionaries hate America though.

Admittedly, you'll find most of them in non-democratic countries, like this wonderful place called Iran...

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"Many conservatives or even reactionaries hate America though.

Admittedly, you'll find most of them in non-democratic countries, like this wonderful place called Iran..."

Backward countries and backward individuals dislike America alike.

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It seems the best definition of left-wing right now is America-hating. And that's true if you live there or not (ie, MrFun, chegitz, Paiktis).


Fvck you for being so arrogantly presumptuous to label us as American-haters, when that is so not the case.

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That's funny coming from someone who used to regularly start anti-USA threads.

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It seems the best definition of left-wing right now is America-hating. And that's true if you live there or not (ie, MrFun, chegitz, Paiktis).


Pretty weak troll there, Spinkie. Try harder next time.

MrFun, we're not critizing religion on b/c of historical actions, but b/c of today's religious leaders (Fallwell, Graham, Phillip, etc.) as well as the Right's attempt as re-introducing it into politics.

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They are not likely to want to deny these things, but they are tired of being blamed for things that happened hundreds of years ago.


Are you really that dumb? I suggest you reread my post.

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That's funny coming from someone who used to regularly start anti-USA threads.


PA used to start anti-USA threads?

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Park: Bush != America. US Government != America.

Disliking -- even hating -- a particular aspect of America doesn't mean one hates the entire thing. For every one thing I hate about this country, I can think of ten things I love about it, and I'm sure most fellow liberals (and conservatives!) feel the same way.

Did you like the last Bad Religion album? No? YOU MUST HATE BAD RELIGION! Did you like Bill Clinton? THEN YOU MUST HATE AMERICA!

Just because someone holds a different opinion than you doesn't mean they don't hold the same affection for their homeland. To think otherwise is to lay yourself at the grave of Preschool Logic, and everyone else sees right through it.

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PA used to start anti-USA threads?


Frequently. Even immediately after 9/11.

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Wow -- oh, and I reread your post.

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Is it because they are left wingers or Dems giving into mob mentality, and are great whinners?


I can't speak for Americans but at all the protests I've been on, all the people I've spoken to had a good understanding of the issues in question and a strong sense of their own views. And I can normally tell sheep from shepherds pretty well.

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I think otherwise.


Why? If we are to succumb to common sense ("Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen" - Einstein), in all its subjectively short sighted glory, then you will become conservative PA style, or neocon. Not even all moral absolutists are that bad!

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Most lefty Brits I could see here were not willing to trust the people to govern. I suppose elitism is especially strong among the British educated class.


Damn straight, in this culture of anti-intellectualism and a tinderbox of potential witch hunts, I take enormous pride in myself and admiration of others that break free of that, the constant abuse that I personally have received from the age of 4 to now, to become someone capable and willing of thoughts beyond the simple material concerns of my life. I consider the "educated classes" as a whole more capable than the "working classes" at government, economics and the understanding required to run a nation. It so happens that there are a higher frequency of liberals among the intellectual groups. I do not believe a lay person should have more say than someone familiar with the issues in question. Its a contextual thing. Who would you rather defend you in court... a lay bricklayer or a highly skilled lawyer? Thats not to say one is more intelligent than another, its to say that one has relevant skills. A philosopher would make a lame plumber, and I dare say both are equally needed for a good civilisation.

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It seems the best definition of left-wing right now is America-hating. And that's true if you live there or not (ie, MrFun, chegitz, Paiktis).


Someone's doing his best to negate the right to be taken seriously! . I don't hate America. I love the American people, their humour, confidence and hospitality, making us Brits look dur and uninteresting. I don't hate their government though I have concerns with it and intellectual disagreement, I do not hate it. What I do hate is war. PA, you need to stop labeling people with your uninformed and oblique definitions, your emotive arguments that stand like a tower of feathers in the gale of critical analysis and see things from beyond the pale of your own peculiar brand of short sighted North-Western little englander mentality. A word of advice.

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Wow -- oh, and I reread your post.


Do you still thinkit's a condemnation of Christianity or an explanation as to why certain political and religious customs may have developed differently in different areas? BTW, I should note that religious persecution in Europe continues today. Consider that Prince Charles could not marry his true love . . . because she's a Catholic (and now because she's a divorce&eaccute; ).

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No, it was not a condemnation of Christianity.

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No, it was not a condemnation of Christianity.

You're so French

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Backward countries and backward individuals dislike America alike.


See my above post.

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No, it was not a condemnation of Christianity.


I dew balieve that there's th' 1st time ainyun's ever said, "I was wrong" on Apolyton so wholeheartedly!

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PA used to start anti-USA threads?


Yup. Loads of the buggers. If one sector of the online community is escaping his attention right now, just wait until his adopted persona shifts again.

Chronic attention-seeking.

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Yup. Loads of the buggers. If one sector of the online community is escaping his attention right now, just wait until his adopted persona shifts again.


Park Avenue/Boddingtons syndrom?

"I HATE>.....uh,, uh..!!@# America, no Blacks!!!@R, no YOU!!#@1!!!!!1"

Then MrFun would come in and say:

"blah, blah, blah, non-homosexual, blah, blah, Amerindian, blah, blah..."

Then some one like Ned or GePap would come along and post something really long, that no one would read except Boris who'd cut and past two lines out of it and give a nice three sentence critique about Mahler.

Then Sloww would come on and say "Yer a Jackass"...

I would then say, hehe, Jackass

Then PA would try and troll a little more

The Che would spread some communist propoganda, followed by Zylka coming and talking about something completely random (either drugs or women), then self biased will show up agreeing with Zylka as he points out that everything I write is italics

Sooner or later MtG would pipe in claiming to be the expert in this... Ming will then warn PA that he's skating on thin ice.

Then, someone trying to be funny will threaten to throw him out of a helicopter.

JohnT will start having nightmares about Sophie and helicopters and black men.

Theben will say something, but since everyone has him on ignore no one will know what he said, but just assume it’s something similar to Che.

Q^3 will remind everyone that he is Asian AMERICA

Whaleboy would complain that everyone calls him Elijah, and the continue to complain that it elijah with a LOWER CASE "e"!!!

Boshko will protest for the squirrels

Paiktis will try to make it about Jews

Sava will blame Bush and the whole republican party

Berzerker will agree call Bush the new Hitler

Laz will write something about it in his blog and glue his head to the keyboard.

PA will try to troll again, but instead get himself banned for another week and the thread closed…

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Man, it's been done to death.

Let's have another one

Edit: Had to appease Elijah

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Japh: I am insulted that you didn't include me

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I don't know if I've ever seen anyone, in real life or on the net, who is in more desperate need of a blowjob than Spinky/Bodds/Park Avenue.

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I don't know if I've ever seen anyone, in real life or on the net, who is in more desperate need of a blowjob than Spinky/Bodds/Park Avenue.


And probably by a guy.

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Japher should save that for the next PA thread; it would save a lot of time.

Please someone tell him this since I am on his ignore list.

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Japh: I am insulted that you didn't include me


fixed it, with rather awful spelling.

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I don't know if I've ever seen anyone, in real life or on the net, who is in more desperate need of a blowjob than Spinky/Bodds/Park Avenue.


To you passes the chalice and the chance to volunteer.

Blow one for the Gipper.

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It seems the best definition of left-wing right now is America-hating. And that's true if you live there or not (ie, MrFun, chegitz, Paiktis).


Accusing anyone who disagrees with anything Bush does of America hating is one of the most ridiculous and annoying comments I ever hear. I don't hate the physical landmass that is America, nor the cities and buildings upon that land, or the people who live there. I don't hate their way of life or the way they are government and I really think that the basic ideas upon which the country was founded are a great concept for the way countries should be run. I don't hate George Bush or anyone in his government. I just don't agree with them.

A lot of us "lefties" just don't agree with some (most) of the current US government's policies. Why can't we do that? At home I oppose a large proportion of the policies of the party I voted for. When any party is in power it is the duty of people to have their say about policies they don't agree with.

Basically, I might argue that I don't like some of what Bush does but I'm not going to be flying a plane into a building in New York because I hate America.

 
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