27-01-2004 03:53									#1
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This is to be the main thread from which we organize all city-naming efforts. I realize there's a Lexicography thread, but it's quite a jumble of random posts and comments with naming suggestions mixed in between. Sorting through all of that would be quite a chore.

I will keep an updated list of names both suggested and officially added to "the list" which the consuls will use to pick from. I will also list all location-specific names suggested.

That having been said, if people wish to suggest names here then they may do so. I will add all suggestions to the "to-be-voted-on" list (which we will have to do soon) and make special notes for any specific names.

Also, if people can transfer MoL name suggestions to this thread that would also help with organization (if no one does it in the next week or so I will try to do so myself).

List of Site ID #s

Names List

Official Generalized Names List:

Zenophobia
Arcadia
Solace
Antlergrad (#20, #21, #25, or #18?)
Lumentis Bananis/Lumen Musae (#20, #21, #25, or #18?)
Protuberance (#3, #4, #6, #7, or #8?)
Memoria Firaxia
Area X
Eye
Del Monte
Kanaloa
Mu

Official Location Specific Names List:

Silk Road (#31/Iceburg)
Dominus (#2/Area X)
Remembrance (#11)
Heroes' Summit (site 22)
Thunder Bay (site 19)
Down Under (site 30)

Jungle Cities (sites 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 18)
Dole
Kanaloa
Mu

Suggested Generalized Names List:

None

Suggested Location Specific Names List:

#11 - Far North
Hounded House
Warrior's Temple
Remembrance

#31 - Iceburg
Down Under
Silk Road
Marco's House

#2 - Area X
Dominus
Area X

#22 - Battle of Algalord
Heroes' Summit (site 22)
Promontorium Viriorum (#22 - Battle of Algalord)

Jungle Cities (sites 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 18)
Del Monte
Dole
Kanaloa (Hawaiian god with the Banana as symbol)
Mu (early people of Hawaii known as 'Banana Munchers')
Catwalk
Cape Spear (Eastern Most point on Continent)

#13 - Western Mountains (N)
Mound Ridge

#14 - Western Mountains (S)
Mound Ridge
Thunder Bay

#19 - North of Lakeview
Paradise Beach
Thunder Bay

#16 - Jungle Inner Sea Port
Thunder Bay

#12 - Mountains North of Equilibrium
Mongoose Abyss
Mound Ridge

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	27-01-2004 04:16									#2
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First name suggestions:

Dominus
Lunar Point

Neither are location-specific suggestions.

	27-01-2004 04:47									#3
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Zenophobia

	27-01-2004 05:35									#4
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Well, with Chiquita under our belt, I suggest location-specific names for 2 jungle citites (starting with Location X) to fulfill our banana heritage, that it may be remembered long after the jungle itself is gone:

Del Monte
Dole

As for other city names, the ones I'm partial to because they're city names I gave to SPDG cities:

Arcadia
Solace
Heroes' Summit (though that one was built on the very hill tile where Apolyton lost many brave cavalry units conquering the vile Germans... perhaps the replacement for Algalord could be named something like this? )

As for my favorite city name of all (correct me on the Latin grammar if someone knows better, please):

Lumentis Bananis
(light/enlightenment/clarity/understanding of the banana... "lumentis" is, as best as I can tell from online information, the correct genitive singular form of "lumen"... as for using "Bananis", Latin has no word for banana as far as I can tell and "bananis" just sounds better with "lumentis" before it ).

I'll try to cook up some other names later.

	27-01-2004 05:38									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Arnelos I'll try to cook up some other names later.

Fried Banana.

	27-01-2004 06:29									#6
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Location Specific.
Down Under

Iceberg or the city to the left of it is the location.
(Although Iceberg is also cool name)

Can you post a link to E_T's settlement plan in the top thread

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	27-01-2004 06:35									#7
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I'd actually like to see the current "Area X" city renamed to Dominus. Between many hills including gold and iron and along a river it will one day be one of our finest cities.

	27-01-2004 06:40									#8
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FEI (For everyone's information ) I plan on starting a poll on the 29th to give us our first set of "official" names so that we can get to renaming some of our cities with temp names ASAP.

	27-01-2004 07:59									#9
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Site 11: "Warrior's Temple" or "Remembrance" or somesuch.

As for "Lumentis Bananis"... you want "Light of the Banana," right? In that case, it'd be "Lumen Bananis" or "Lux Bananis".

	27-01-2004 08:31									#10
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Site 31 - Silk Road

Not specific - Heaven

	27-01-2004 09:42									#11
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Protuberence

	27-01-2004 15:33									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Vlad Antlerkov Site 11: "Warrior's Temple" or "Remembrance" or somesuch. As for "Lumentis Bananis"... you want "Light of the Banana," right? In that case, it'd be "Lumen Bananis" or "Lux Bananis".

Did I mess up which case is needed for lumen? Considering that the banana is posessing lumen rather than lumen posessing the banana, I tried to decline them backwards, didn't I? In other words, was I trying to say "Light of the Banana" and came up with "Light's Banana"?

As for Lumen -vs- Lux, definately Lumen. Both can mean "light", but the connotations that seem attached to lumen (and the apparent use of the word as a basis for similar words in English, etc.) is closer to enlightenment, illumination, understanding, clarity... basically what we're actually going for over just physical light.

So I guess Lumen Bananis would be correct (well, assuming we don't care whether an ending of "is" would be correct for a noun meaning banana)?

	27-01-2004 16:39									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Arnelos Did I mess up which case is needed for lumen? Considering that the banana is posessing lumen rather than lumen posessing the banana, I tried to decline them backwards, didn't I? In other words, was I trying to say "Light of the Banana" and came up with "Light's Banana"?

"Lumentis Bananis" is "Of the Banana Light" or "Of the Banana's Light." Both were in the genitive case, in that situation. The possessor is in the genitive, and whatever's being possessed is in the nominative.

I don't think there's any Latin noun meaning "Banana," so we can make up whatever words we want to mean "Banana." The way we've got it now, it's a 3rd-declension noun. While this is pretty silly, I'd prefer it as a 1st-declension noun: banana (nom. sing), bananae (gen. sing)...

So Lumen Bananae, I guess.

Now I'm going to go kill myself. I thought I was done with Latin.

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Mound Ridge (Hills and/or Mountains in line)
Cape Spear (Eastern Most point on Continent)
Thunder Bay (With a bay on the inland sea)

	27-01-2004 21:59									#15
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Adding a bunch more:

Sites in the first ring around Apolyton Prime (21-29, except 24):
Astu Keirukon (Attic Greek, "city of the heralds")
Eisten Boulen (Attic Greek, "to the council", supposedly where the name "Istanbul" came from)
Lithos Basileos (Attic Greek, "rock of the king")

And the obligatory city named after me (my preference is Site 12, as I figure I don't want to have a GOOD city named after myself ):

Antlergrad

I'll add more once I have my Greek textbook on hand.

	27-01-2004 22:58									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Vlad Antlerkov Adding a bunch more: Sites in the first ring around Apolyton Prime (21-29, except 24): Astu Keirukon (Attic Greek, "city of the heralds") Eisten Boulen (Attic Greek, "to the council", supposedly where the name "Istanbul" came from) Lithos Basileos (Attic Greek, "rock of the king") And the obligatory city named after me (my preference is Site 12, as I figure I don't want to have a GOOD city named after myself ): Antlergrad I'll add more once I have my Greek textbook on hand.

If those don't get used, we can also use them in the Conquests demogame. Keep 'em in mind.

	02-02-2004 15:11									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Arnelos As for my favorite city name of all (correct me on the Latin grammar if someone knows better, please): Lumentis Bananis (light/enlightenment/clarity/understanding of the banana... "lumentis" is, as best as I can tell from online information, the correct genitive singular form of "lumen"... as for using "Bananis", Latin has no word for banana as far as I can tell and "bananis" just sounds better with "lumentis" before it ).

Ah, you think the Romans did not eat bananas? Wrong...
"Musa" seems to be the Latin word for Banana (see http://www.coffeetimes.com/banana.htm)

The genitive singular for Lumen is "Luminis".

quote: "The Latin word lumen, luminis (n.) is one of two words meaning "light." The other is lux, lucis (f.). Lumen was often thought of as light coming from the eye, or a lamp, while lux was light coming into the eye, or from the sun or moon. Both these words are used in photometry to name concepts and units."
(http://www.du.edu/~jcalvert/optics/lumens.htm)

But, as pointed out, you do not need the genitive form for Lumen, but for Musa, which is "Musae". So:


Lumen Musae

	02-02-2004 15:16									#18
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Adding:

Marco's House (any city near Silks; after Marco Polo)
Kanaloa (any jungle city; Hawaiian god with the Banana as symbol)
Mu (any city; early people of Hawaii known as 'Banana Munchers')
Hounded House (any city near where Warrior BetaHound fell)

edit: please keep the name 'Area X'.

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quote: Originally posted by BigFurryMonster Ah, you think the Romans did not eat bananas? Wrong... "Musa" seems to be the Latin word for Banana (see http://www.coffeetimes.com/banana.htm) The genitive singular for Lumen is "Luminis". quote: "The Latin word lumen, luminis (n.) is one of two words meaning "light." The other is lux, lucis (f.). Lumen was often thought of as light coming from the eye, or a lamp, while lux was light coming into the eye, or from the sun or moon. Both these words are used in photometry to name concepts and units." (http://www.du.edu/~jcalvert/optics/lumens.htm) But, as pointed out, you do not need the genitive form for Lumen, but for Musa, which is "Musae". So: Lumen Musae

Thanks, BFM! Lumen Musae it is!

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4 names have been added to the official city list.

New proposed city names will be updated soon.

A new round of voting will commence soon when I get around to it.

	09-02-2004 09:37									#21
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Memoria Firaxia (quasi-Latin for "remember Firaxis")
Frog's Revenge (remembering the French; also, a word pun from the C64-game "Grog's Revenge")

	10-02-2004 21:58									#23
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Paradise Beach ( For a city north of lakeview)
Catwalk ( For any city in the jungle south of Tripoli)
The Hood ( For any city)

South Harbour ( any city on the south coast)

	12-02-2004 08:17									#24
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Ok, done some more thinking and a bit of researching.... as before, if I got any of the Latin wrong, please feel free to correct me.

Specific Locations

Power of Victory: Potentia Victoriae ("might/power/authority of victory")
#22 (ruins of Algalord): Promontorium Viriorum (peak/mountain ridge/promontory of heroes/men - Latin replacement for my earlier suggested "Heroes' Summit", a city name I made in the original SPDG)
#16: Lumen Musae (Illumination of the Banana) or Lux Musae (Light of the Banana)

(I'm beginning to wonder if it really should be Lux Musae rather than Lumen Musae, considering that the Great Banana is our deity.... what do you guys think?)

General List Names

Vox Publica (voice/word/power/right/authority of the people)
Prudentia Consulatae (foresight/knowledge/sagacity/discretion of the office of Consul/the Consulate system)

ALTERNATE (for Prudentia Consulatae):
Sapientia Consulatae (wisdom/good sense/discernment of the office of consul/the consulate system)

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I'll see if I can come up with more later...

Please note that Potentia Victoriae, assuming that's the correct Latin, would be a replacement for the English "Power of Victory". Since I'm the one who named Power of Victory myself, you can be sure that the author of the name won't entirely mind the change.

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	12-02-2004 09:04									#25
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Oh, and of course:

Area X

	12-02-2004 10:01									#26
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No offence intended. Why are we naming our cities in Latin ? Greek ? Are most of our members come from Latin/Greek origin ??

These names are such a mouthful. I for one won't be able to pronounce or spell them.

	12-02-2004 10:13									#27
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Some suggestions for city names

On the General List

"All city names must have easy spelling" Just kidding
"Bob"
"Glaceland" (The original name suggested for the lost continent in the first SPDG)
"Eye" (In reference to the PTWDG)


Site 12
"Mongoose Abyss" (In reference to that 1 ocean tile that shouldnt be there)

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	12-02-2004 10:45									#28
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quote: Originally posted by rush No offence intended. Why are we naming our cities in Latin ? Greek ? Are most of our members come from Latin/Greek origin ?? These names are such a mouthful. I for one won't be able to pronounce or spell them.

Several reasons.

1. Apolyton is, in actuality, a Greek site (or at least owned by a Greek).

2. The civ we're playing is Carthage, though we seem to have taken on something of a Romanesque theme to our Carthaginian civilization (odd, I know...). Regardless, we are certainly playing a Western classicial civilization. The languages of the classics (in Western cultures, at least) are Greek and Latin.

3. While I'm reasonably sure that very very few of us are of Greek or Italian ethnic descent, most European languages are descended at least in part from Latin because of the influence of the Roman Empire and later the influence of the Catholic Church. Latin was, in fact, the lingua franca of medieval Europe, a language which anyone who was educated was expected to know. Religious practice was conducted in Latin (for many Catholics, it still is) and some of that tradition remains.

4. I think a number of us just think Latin sounds cool. I know that's my motivating reason above all others... I honestly think that putting this stuff into Latin just makes it sound better than it would in good ole' boring English. When compounded with the fact that we're playing a classical civilization for which Latin and Greek names may very well be appropriate, it just works.

Does that help at all?

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quote: Originally posted by Arnelos Does that help at all?

it sure does.

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Perhaps something to memorialize the forest of death from the PTWDG (aka Pamplona 1)? Dunno what to call it, though.

What's forest of death in Latin, Arnelos?

-Arrian