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Grandpa Troll is offline Grandpa Troll

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The rules stated NOT in first 5 turns..am I not correct??


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you're right, but we have turn 14 now.

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you're right, but we have turn 14 now.


Folks..we have 2 people on same page...~ahem~

Ruling pleaase..MOTION on the floor?


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Wow.

Glad I'm going faster.

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I have no problem with waiting for him to return. We all have lives and some days you just don't have a chance to go on your comp. If he is gonna be out for a day or two, then I don't mind waiting.

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I have no problem with waiting for him to return. We all have lives and some days you just don't have a chance to go on your comp. If he is gonna be out for a day or two, then I don't mind waiting.


Ok..so when I go to build a church for my Lord in Honduras in 3 weeks, I will be gone from May 13 at 0100 am est and return IIRC May 22 same time or there abouts..

Will everyone feel the same????


Just asking if anyone will or not.....

I can have a plan but just curious is all.....


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nope, building a church is something different.
no, seriously, 3 weeks are something different.

i know, you will say we agreed on 48 hour rule (we did, didnt we ?). but eventually its a matter of the people if they want to next someone. okay, then again you do want to next dimytes.

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nope, building a church is something different.
no, seriously, 3 weeks are something different.

i know, you will say we agreed on 48 hour rule (we did, didnt we ?). but eventually its a matter of the people if they want to next someone. okay, then again you do want to next dimytes.


...ummm..to risk the chance of sounding like a smart-tail, you ARE a Math major correct?

Just asking..since how is 9 days equating to 3 weeks?

My point is that if I were to take my turn say on the 12th...should I "technically" be in good shape if everyone took their time since it would only take 5 people to take 48 hours each and it would get me through without being nexted?

Just asking, since here we go again with "modifying" and exploiting the rules to suit different people....
Im ok if the same is done for me......

even if everyone says NO to my request then the most one could do is next me TWO TIMEs..correct?

I mean you would have to give me the initial 48 hours before nexting me.. and then once the turns made their rounds you would have to await the next 48 hours.....ect.

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...ummm..to risk the chance of sounding like a smart-tail, you ARE a Math major correct?


im not a Major, im a Dipl.Math. aint nothing to do with military..

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quote:
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Just asking..since how is 9 days equating to 3 weeks?


im sorry, i mixed something up there.

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well, let "Major Math" do some calculations then.

every player has a guarantued 48 hours if im not mistaken.

Dimytes got the turn at about 13:00 Apolyton time on wednesday. he said he will be back on friday evening, which is 1 hour earlier in Apolyton time. so lets assume he gets back at 20:00 CET, 19:00 GMT (or Apolyton time)
this makes 6 hours that he is late on his 48 hours.

whereas, if you, Troll, are away for 9 days (which incidentally equals 3 weeks if we define a week to be 3 days ) and happen to get the turn just after you left, you would be 7 days late once you get back.
even if you play your turn directly before you leave and it takes a full 48 hours to go around, you are still 5 days late after applying 48 hours rule.

so, yes, its much less of a delay to wait for Dimytes to come back than for you to come back.
the question thus is: do we give Dimytes an additional 6 hours beyond what he has a right on anyway ?
and do we give you full 5 days beyond that time ?

of course, Dimytes didnt specifically ask for being given this time, but considering we have waited as long as this, i say lets wait until tomorrow eve too.

another interesting question is this:
can you possibly take a CTP CD with you and find an internet connection somewhere in nicaragua ?

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Anyway, turn 14 to M.

And I'm back from Hanover fair in Germany!

Turn 8 to Mathemagician.

©Dimytes 2004

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quote:
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Anyway, turn 14 to M.

And I'm back from Hanover fair in Germany!

Turn 8 to Mathemagician.

©Dimytes 2004


turn 8 ?

seven turns played for all 6 players and turn 15 sent to Protoss

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Thats what happen when you copy and paste, not even the first turn number was correct, it should be 15 not 14
I guess I have had too many "Pils" and "Weiss beir" in Germany


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no, the 14 was correct. with me starts the new turn. but 8 was very odd.

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Nope, I sent turn 15 to you, who are first! I didn't say I played it, just sent it.
You might be the first one playing turns, but I am the first one sending them

©Dimytes 2004

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yes youre right

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...anyone seen a turn lately????


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Nope. No sign of the turn.

Continuing my theme of critisism of Troll's pictures - isn't that creature gesturing in the wrong order - I always theought it was "See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil", although a quick Google does demonstrate much disagreement on this point (First page of results has 4 different orderings in).

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Nope. No sign of the turn.

Continuing my theme of support of Grandpa Troll's pictures - isn't that Extremely creative of Grandpa Troll gesturing in the hope that the World's order of seeing things done in efficient & productive manner will inevitably bring many more to play Call To Power, the worlds best PC Game- I always thought Grandpa Troll to be nothing short of a genius! I am never amazed at Grandpa Troll's comments, he is on the cutting edge of thought provoking, action inducing and motivational speaking for which there is no equal, in my opinion that is. I just wanted to say although we havent had the turns like we should, although Mathemagician is a L@^^e@$$, which is really sad in and of itself, Grandpa Troll is why I keep playing ~sigh~ He is MY HERO!!


Thanks for the Kind comments JBYTHEWAY, although really, you should cut Math down.

Understood?

He is a nice guy, 4-Real!

Oh..and Yes..I do a little "Motivational" speaking from time to time.....



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Continuing my theme of critisism of Troll's pictures - isn't that creature gesturing in the wrong order - I always theought it was "See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil", although a quick Google does demonstrate much disagreement on this point (First page of results has 4 different orderings in).


AFAIK here in germany we speak of three apes each performing one gesture.

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I just got it... I'll be playing it soon, don't throw anything just yet, GT.

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I just got it... I'll be playing it soon, don't throw anything just yet, GT.


I'LL THROW DA DAMNED BOOK AT YAH..

if you dont hurry up!!


GT

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..sad day indeed..a first for me..turn 15 I am dead..my turn wont tell me what happened..just a skull on turn and I cant even see why..dont know if I was attacked..certianly not a barb..its turn 15....


Oh well..a first

Peace

GG

C ya 'round

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Troll. that happens when I city grows to size 2. Then you get 1 more unhappiness. the city riots. Because of the city growth it has 0 food stored and a city that riots with 0 food stored will decrease in size. If you happen to build a settler the same turn, the city poofs and you just have a settler where the city once was. It has happened to me many times.

©Dimytes 2004

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Troll. that happens when I city grows to size 2. Then you get 1 more unhappiness. the city riots. Because of the city growth it has 0 food stored and a city that riots with 0 food stored will decrease in size. If you happen to build a settler the same turn, the city poofs and you just have a settler where the city once was. It has happened to me many times.


I had a size "1" and was going to build a second city on that particular turn...I was 11 turns from growth of my city...


BTW...

I am done so I looked at the turns so to see why it happened...

I will say without details..some folks here have definetly an inside edge on making the settlers...I am impressed!!

Peace


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15 to Dymites.

Hard luck, Troll .

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there is another thing i observed where your desription might fit onto, troll.

i often have newly founded cities that riot and die the very turn after their foundation, but didnt show any unhappiness before.
in those cases where they dont die i often find that the same slider settings will make the city be unhappy on the next turn, but not on the turn of foundation.

so my conclusion is that either the happiness values shown for new cities are somehow miscalculated, OR that there is a new factor weighing in on the city only at the start of the next turn. both lead to the same result: the city riots and dies occasionally.

as a workaround i check the slider settings where my new city will just riot and then improve the happiness not by one adjustment, but by two, but only for the first turn of existance of the city. i change it back one setting on the next turn, assuming that the values will be correct then.
that is, if i remember that in both relevant turns. it is indeed annoying, but i dont know anything else to do about it.

aside from that, i also had cities with happiness 73 or more riot occasionally, even with no other rioting city around.. strange.

 
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