14-02-2004 20:18									#151
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I could read that, but it takes too much effort.

	15-02-2004 02:40									#153
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quote: Originally posted by skywalker Not with so many christians. It's just not practical - you have to give time off from school for religious holidays (I assume it's the same as in the US) and so you'd be missing the majority of the school (even with all of the immigration, native French still outnumber immigrants, right?)

In Americ there is no Christmas or Easter School Break anymore. We have winter and string break now. There is no more Christmas party at school anymore they are winter party now.

	15-02-2004 04:40									#154
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quote: Originally posted by CharlesBHoff I hear the french now want to ban man from wearing bead, well if any of your fascat French police try to cut my bead will be a dead fascat french police.

Will that be a problem in El Paso?

quote: I never said Alien control the US government. There are alien sent by God to save mankind from itself, they are estable the best Intelligence grathing network on this planet. We are haveing so much fun laughting at the mess America is makeing in Iraq.

A good job they at saving mankind from itself by laughing at Iraq...
Out of curiosity, are you a Raelian?

quote: Also in 1934 than alien spacecraft crach land in Germany the Nazie recover the craft than study it.

And what did they lean from it?

	15-02-2004 06:53									#155
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quote: Originally posted by skywalker Not with so many christians. It's just not practical - you have to give time off from school for religious holidays (I assume it's the same as in the US) and so you'd be missing the majority of the school (even with all of the immigration, native French still outnumber immigrants, right?)

Religious observance is low among French Christians. We have very few people who still observe days like the All-Saints (1st November), or Mary's Assumption (15th August) for their religious values. Heck, even big religious moments such as Easter and Christmas are hardly religiously observed anymore.

In French schools, we have about 2 weeks vacations every 8 weeks (that is a 6 weeks work - 2 weeks vac sequence). It is very easy to have these vacations encompass religious holidays. For example, there is no reason that Spring vacation gets called "easter vacation", just as there is no reason the November vacation gets called the "All-Saints vacation". Especially with WW1 armistice (Nov. 11) so near.

	15-02-2004 07:00									#156
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Spiffor, do you think that this ban of religious symbols was motivated by the outbreak of anti-muslim and anti-semitic attacks in France, or is it just secularism run amok?

	15-02-2004 07:08									#157
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Secularism run amok without a doubt. (More precisely, the questioning of the "secularism at school" old dogma).

The whole affair began in previous summer, as two teenage girls came headscarved at School and adamantly refused to remove their scarves (as already decided by previous laws). Interesting factoid: the father of these two sisters was a middle class Jewish atheist, while their mother was a Berber catholic

Since then, there was a real hystery about this extremely benign problem (very, very few girls keep their headscarves at school), and it hasn't stopped till yet. The hystery comes from the fact we are so attached to our dogma of secularism at school, and to the fear the Muslims reintroduce religion in politics (like these fricking catholics in the past), that we didn't try to think about what the real meaning of secularism is.

	15-02-2004 08:42									#158
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Heard an interesting blurb on the radio today. Some school boards in Canada may be considering copying the French edict re religious garb and symbols in schools. I have not found a written source yet, but I will look for one.

Personally, I think they'd get trashed pretty fast. We have adapted the uniform of the Mounties to accomodate Sikhs after all. Also, Canadian courts are very much focused on individual freedoms and we have no compelling issue of religious strife to point to historically to justify such a ban.

Also there's the little fact that Catholic education is a constitutional right. Curiously in our case, that is due to the French fact.

	16-02-2004 13:32									#159
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quote: Originally posted by Kingof the Apes Will that be a problem in El Paso? A good job they at saving mankind from itself by laughing at Iraq... Out of curiosity, are you a Raelian? And what did they lean from it?

The French Education Minster is saying that Muslim man shouldnot be allow to wear beard. But I heard the Ministy of the Inteior told him to shut up about that as they donot want to enforce than dumbass law which can lead to fighting. There is than sect of India Muslim that grow beard which they trim but never cut off and grow hair on their head which they never cut off and wear turban on they head and they will attack anyone who try to cut off they beard.

	16-02-2004 14:00									#160
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quote: Heard an interesting blurb on the radio today. Some school boards in Canada may be considering copying the French edict re religious garb and symbols in schools. I have not found a written source yet, but I will look for one.

I hope not, but keep on top of it.

	16-02-2004 17:25									#161
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quote: Originally posted by CharlesBHoff The French Education Minster is saying that Muslim man shouldnot be allow to wear beard. But I heard the Ministy of the Inteior told him to shut up about that as they donot want to enforce than dumbass law which can lead to fighting. There is than sect of India Muslim that grow beard which they trim but never cut off and grow hair on their head which they never cut off and wear turban on they head and they will attack anyone who try to cut off they beard.

Uhm Sikhs aren't exactly a Muslim sect...

	17-02-2004 02:48									#162
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quote: Originally posted by lightblue Uhm Sikhs aren't exactly a Muslim sect...

Yes they are as they arenot declare official not muslim. There is than small muslim sect in China where woman donot wear headscarf or cover they entire body but the man are force to wear headscarf and cover they entire body. The woman can have up to 4 hushand but the man cannot have four wife, only one wife and it is recognite as being than Muslim sect by the Saudi Arabia.

	17-02-2004 02:51									#163
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Sikhs are not an offshoot of Muslims, they believe in one God, but do not call him Allah. They reject many of the tenets of Islam, because they believe them to be useless.

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They have absolutely zilch to do with Islam. I do not know where you get your information from but I'd check them again if i were. This is a good site about sikhism: http://www.sikhnet.com/s/SikhIntro .

If anything the main tenets are not disimilar to Buddhism.

	17-02-2004 06:14									#165
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Religious observance is low among French Christians. We have very few people who still observe days like the All-Saints (1st November), or Mary's Assumption (15th August) for their religious values. Heck, even big religious moments such as Easter and Christmas are hardly religiously observed anymore. In French schools, we have about 2 weeks vacations every 8 weeks (that is a 6 weeks work - 2 weeks vac sequence). It is very easy to have these vacations encompass religious holidays. For example, there is no reason that Spring vacation gets called "easter vacation", just as there is no reason the November vacation gets called the "All-Saints vacation". Especially with WW1 armistice (Nov. 11) so near.

holy wow thats a lot of vacation.

	17-02-2004 07:05									#166
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quote: Originally posted by CharlesBHoff In Americ there is no Christmas or Easter School Break anymore. We have winter and string break now. There is no more Christmas party at school anymore they are winter party now.

I know, but we still have the holidays around that time because it's practical.

	17-02-2004 07:07									#167
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Religious observance is low among French Christians. We have very few people who still observe days like the All-Saints (1st November), or Mary's Assumption (15th August) for their religious values. Heck, even big religious moments such as Easter and Christmas are hardly religiously observed anymore. In French schools, we have about 2 weeks vacations every 8 weeks (that is a 6 weeks work - 2 weeks vac sequence). It is very easy to have these vacations encompass religious holidays. For example, there is no reason that Spring vacation gets called "easter vacation", just as there is no reason the November vacation gets called the "All-Saints vacation". Especially with WW1 armistice (Nov. 11) so near.

We don't officially call them "christmas vacation" or "easter break" - however, most individuals do, because that's what they are. If the levels of observance are different enough in France to not cause massive scheduling problems, then I raise my objection. It's just that in the US they are so big (though not in a particularly religious way) that it would be disastrous.

	17-02-2004 07:42									#168
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Sikhs are not an offshoot of Muslims, they believe in one God, but do not call him Allah. They reject many of the tenets of Islam, because they believe them to be useless.

Alot of Muslim are getting trie of other people of other religious saying who are muslim or not muslim. There are about 9 million Muslim in America than a ADL is going around saying there only 3 million muslim as they exclude some group of Muslim as being Muslim like the Black Muslim they are barely in but other muslim group are working on change some of they beliefs to fit the muslim belief. Who is better at deminate who is than muslim or not than Jewish group with one jew saying the america muslim must exclude this muslim as we donot like then, or the muslim deminate who is muslim or not muslim.

	17-02-2004 07:48									#169
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What about what Sikhs themselves say, Charles? Isn't that relevant?

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Charles, as someone of Muslim background, Sikh's AREN'T Muslims.

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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Charles, as someone of Muslim background, Sikh's AREN'T Muslims.

Pakistan Muslim consider the Muslim as than few other muslim group. Plus they save Islam from being destory by the English and France by the schools they set up thoughtout the middle east and India Subcontinent that taught the Islamist faith.

There are more sects in Christianian, the Salvant Army have than very odd prot christianian belief that isnot very mainstream.

	17-02-2004 15:52									#172
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You are completed and utterly deluded right? Have you even bothered clicking on the link provided?

Repeat after me Sikh != Muslim. Islam and Christianity are much closely related in scripture than Islam and Sikhism.

	17-02-2004 23:47									#173
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quote: Originally posted by lightblue You are completed and utterly deluded right? Have you even bothered clicking on the link provided? Repeat after me Sikh != Muslim. Islam and Christianity are much closely related in scripture than Islam and Sikhism.

WE have than Sikh pray the muslim prayer at the El Paso Islamic Center. Sikh is than mixute of Buh , Hindic, and Islan from India. India Muslim consider then Muslim even it they donot meet all the regulation. First the Buh and Hindic donot want then and the Muslim show mery on then by considering then fellow muslim.

	17-02-2004 23:56									#174
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so, Charles, are you muslim?

	18-02-2004 07:59									#175
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel so, Charles, are you muslim?

Along with many other thing.

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quote: Originally posted by CharlesBHoff Along with many other thing.

Such as 'mentally retarded'?

	18-02-2004 08:33									#177
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quote: Originally posted by Oncle Boris Such as 'mentally retarded'?

I might have touble talking and writeing but I than sure far from being retarded. Have you ever met than real retarded person.

	18-02-2004 08:58									#178
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quote: Originally posted by CharlesBHoff I might have touble talking and writeing but I than sure far from being retarded. Have you ever met than real retarded person.

Sorry dude. If that's not being too bold, what's preventing you from writing/talking? Are you autistic?

	18-02-2004 09:17									#179
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quote: Such as 'mentally retarded'?

Since he believes Sikhs are Muslims, yes .

	18-02-2004 09:28									#180
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: Such as 'mentally retarded'? Since he believes Sikhs are Muslims, yes .

All those brown people are the same, anyway.



no Ming don't come here.