11-02-2004 19:07									#1
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who's around for a continuing weekday/night game? I'm around most nights {+10GMT} during the week, which I guess is day for a lot of you americans or europeans. I want a serious continuing 1x1x deity game, with 4-6 players. Anyone interested?

	11-02-2004 19:42									#2
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i can play, but cant commit to every weekday night, as my rotating shift cycle would interfer ...

	11-02-2004 23:39									#3
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i can play most weeknites starting at 8pm est i think that is 11am your time

	12-02-2004 01:41									#4
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i could play too....the last time i tried to do one of these types of games tho, there were always connections, lateness, forgetfullness etc getting in the way.

if were only going to play for 2-3hrs at a time, then people must be there, as soon as someone bails, i am not going to keep playing. I have seen to many games degenerate into all sorts of nonsense.

I can commit one night a week, mon-thur anytime from 5pms PST on i think.

keep me in the mix, i have been trying to play week night games for a bit b/c my schedual on the weekends is busy.

keep in mind i am very rusty too, having not really played much in the last year+

	12-02-2004 01:43									#5
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would this be diplo style game? world map game? random settings etc?

what style of game are we talking about ? more info is needed

	12-02-2004 05:24									#6
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I would like a 1x1x deity game.

And I'm with you war, I want a firm commitment from players. i can make any weeknite starting at 8pm est - 5pm wartime - 11am aussietime

lets set it up

I can honestly say i've never missed a civ appointment without notice

	12-02-2004 08:31									#7
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Ok, well that is two of us.....i can do the x1x1 deity game......

someone pick a day tho, b/c i can do any of those days so long as i know in advance, and i must reiterate, no funny buisiness. I can't stand subbing, and i am sure most people don't like subs either, even if it spices up some diplo games

	12-02-2004 09:02									#8
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And I agree with the commitment factor too. Starting next week wednesday is good for me - I guess that's tuesday night for you guys. I'd like sessions of 3 hours +, Rah rules {except for the settings}and a world map would be interesting {but I'm flexible on the map}.

	12-02-2004 09:16									#9
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I can do this only on USA Weds or Thurs nights....

	12-02-2004 09:17									#10
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quote: Originally posted by deity I can do this only on USA Weds or Thurs nights....

took you long enough to show up!

	12-02-2004 09:18									#11
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You mean thursday or friday our time... I could do thursday if it means you're in the game. Fridays I definitely can't commit to.

	12-02-2004 09:25									#12
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no i think he stated those dates based on OUR TIME....

	13-02-2004 05:32									#13
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ok lets get the ball rolling.

ll make some proposals and lets see if everyone agrees.

Lets start next wednesday at 8pm est i think that is 5pm for war and 11am for the aussies thurs morning. (Please confirm your own times). I could play for 4 hours.

RAH's rules except:

1x1x deity
Oracle un-modified
any player can call for one restart on or prior to 3500bc (Since this is going to be a long game lets make sure everyone has at least a livable start)
50x70 map
wet cool small archs 3 billion random
no cooperation between players

those are my suggestions. If anyone would like to suggest something different post it here and lets try and get it decided by wednesday.

	13-02-2004 06:07									#14
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Time and day works, interesting addition with the restart but we'll play it to see how it goes.
No co-operation between players? I take it you mean no alliances formed out of game, surely inside the game we're allowed to make mutually beneficial deals.
50 x 70 map might be a bit large, lets hold on the size till we see how many confirmed players we have.
Happy with the rest of the settings, I'll be there

	14-02-2004 01:34									#15
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all things look good from this angle. As far as alliances go, are we to have no contact with the other player? We really better nail down what ever rule is to come of this to make sure there are NO MISUNDERSTANDINGS

	14-02-2004 10:41									#16
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I agree, get the rules straight. I'd agree with no pre-arranged alliances; but during game tech trading, trade agreements and war alliances should be allowed. Well war alliances if there are four players or more.

	16-02-2004 05:01									#17
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Now that i am self employed, i can play a couple of games...

	16-02-2004 05:25									#18
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what are you doing these days markusf?

I think thursdays work best for me just for the record

	16-02-2004 05:48									#19
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	16-02-2004 06:32									#20
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Hey, welcome back maestro Markus!

This is shaping up as a grand group indeed.

This week USA Thurs night suits me far better than USA Weds night BTW.(Most other weeks I can do either of these USA nights...)

	16-02-2004 09:07									#21
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ok lets get the ball rolling.

ll make some proposals and lets see if everyone agrees.

Lets start next wednesday at 8pm est i think that is 5pm for war and 11am for the aussies thurs morning. (Please confirm your own times). I could play for 4 hours.

RAH's rules except:

1x1x deity
Oracle un-modified
any player can call for one restart on or prior to 3500bc (Since this is going to be a long game lets make sure everyone has at least a livable start)
50x70 map
wet cool small archs 3 billion random
no cooperation between players

those are my suggestions. If anyone would like to suggest something different post it here and lets try and get it decided by wednesday.
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OK how about all of the above except:

start thurs nite at 8pm

and by no cooperation i meant - it is illegal to contact another player in any way shape or form using the diplomatic screen

if a couple people in king chat think that player A is getting to strong and maybe we need to take him out or whatever - that is ok -

anyways - those are my thoughts - lets try and get this settled in the next couple days

BTW does anyoen have cable to host - im dialup

	16-02-2004 15:01									#22
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RAH's rules except:

1x1x deity - SUGGEST Emp (I prefer deity but Emp does even out the Happy Wonders problem)

Oracle un-modified - SUGGEST extended (Inever build it but again it balances the Happy thingo)

any player can call for one restart on or prior to 3500bc - I don't need this but I'll go along with it... zzzzzzzzzzzz

50x70 map - OK, maybe a little bigger if we have 5+

wet cool small archs 3 billion random - SUGGEST, to save restarts I'd rather another party line up a 'random' map that works

no cooperation between players - SUGGEST no ceding of anything, no alliances, no coop whatsoever, no maxing cities, no tech trading, no GL, no GW

But I'm easy...

	16-02-2004 18:02									#23
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To simply things maybe we should start just using GMT for the time. That relates to 0100 20.02 for this game.

If someone wants to organise a map go ahead.

I'd vote for tech trading to be allowed. Such diplomatic action can be important. But I'll accept the result of a vote on it.

To make it really interesting who'd be willing to play one wonder only? And no restriction on which wonder that is.

I have cable and can host. So how many confirmed players do we have?

	16-02-2004 21:20									#24
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I am confirmed for Thurs 8pm est (friday 01:00 GMT)

	16-02-2004 21:47									#25
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quote: Originally posted by deity RAH's rules except: 1x1x deity - SUGGEST Emp (I prefer deity but Emp does even out the Happy Wonders problem)

Deity of the Deitians wants emperor I never thought I would hear that. I'm OK with either but prefer Deity

quote: Oracle un-modified - SUGGEST extended (Inever build it but again it balances the Happy thingo)

OK with me but whoever hosts should talk to RAH and figure out how he adjusts the game for this because I don't know how to do it.

quote: any player can call for one restart on or prior to 3500bc - I don't need this but I'll go along with it... zzzzzzzzzzzz

I would expect at most 1 restart due to this. If you remember Deity we did this in one game and noone called for one. I just wouldn't want someone to start on an artic island or something equally horrible and be expected to come play week after week for 3-4 hours. I wouldn't expect people to ask for a restart because they didn't get a whale in thier starting position for example.

quote: 50x70 map - OK, maybe a little bigger if we have 5+

OK How about 50x70 4 players - 60x80 5 or more

quote: wet cool small archs 3 billion random - SUGGEST, to save restarts I'd rather another party line up a 'random' map that works

If you can get someone to build us a random map by thurs that isn't gimmicky (everyone has three resources at the opening, everyone starts on a piece of land that is exactly the same as everyone elses etc, etc....) I'd be for it. One thing we could do if we don't do get a pre-made map, is have the host start the game and make sure he has no techs about 10-15 mins before starting. time.

quote: no cooperation between players - SUGGEST no ceding of anything, no alliances, no coop whatsoever, no maxing cities, no tech trading, no GL, no GW

The reason I suggested no diplo screen is because it is easily definable. "No coop whatsoever" is kind of vague and could lead to arguments.

For Example:

Would I be required to attack all foriegn caravans.

Can I say on king chat or ICQ that I just got attacked by someone else or would that be considered giving information to other players.

And probably 100+ other things that could come up

Why no GL or GW?

Cyber suggested 1 wonder per player (I'm assuming manhatten and apollo wouldnt count). I'd prefer all wonders but am open to a 1 wonder game or maybe even a no wonder game.

	16-02-2004 22:01									#26
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One more thing:

I would vote for not allowing the "hut-finder" program or any other add-on programs black-clicking is bad enough. I'm not sure if anyone in this group even has it or uses it.

	16-02-2004 23:54									#27
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Once again i will state Thursday is the best day for me, especially in this first week.

I agree, with no hutfinder...but am easy on this.

how many are playing? we haven't confirmed more than 5 yet?

no premade maps, even from a trusted source. Thats what the restarts are for isn't it? One or the other IMO

No coop is lame, but so is being someones trading partner for the sake WIN WIN WIN. Is this going to be like a diplo game or more like an arena game? Once this is understood, we can then make changes to the diplomatic status questions.

changing oracle for balance is easy rules.txt and changing the tech which kills it to like Railroad IIC

i dont' like wonder limits, don't really like banning wonders in games of 4 or more. There is strategy to all the wonders to some degree.

No manhattan is the popular one to wipe out, we should vote on that one, also, is it a space race only? or who has the best civ rating? highest on the PG....

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	17-02-2004 05:38									#28
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No hut finder.

The 1 wonder idea was just thrown up, 2 people already said they didn't like it so it's out.

So the biggest issue left to sort out is the diplomatic nature of the game. I've never played a full on diplo game, so I'd be willing to give that a try.

	17-02-2004 08:14									#29
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OK it looks like its getting close here:

I think we have all agreed on the following (if not let me know):


RAH's Rules except:


1x1x deity

Any player can call for 1 restart prior to or on 3500bc

No hut finder or outside program

4 players = 50 x 70 map 5+ players = 60 x 80 map (length x width)

wet cool small arch 3 bil random

(per RAH's Rules we will extend the Oracle to industrialization. hosts responsibility to setup the game appropriately)

(per RAH's rules spacec race or conquest are valid winning conditions i.e. THIS IS NOT A DIPLO GAME)


Undecided Items: (please vote by gmt 05:00 thurs)


1)Wonders

a) all wonders are OK
b) all wonders but GL and GW
c) 1 wonder per person
d) no wonders
e) something else (please explain)

2)Interaction between players

a) no cooperation between players - need to define
b) no use of diplomacy screen everything else OK - eliminates all trading and gifting and ceding but allows players to make unenforcible agreements
c) no diplomacy screen and no foriegn caravans (this stops the game from turning into multiple trade alliances)
d) everything goes
e) RAH's Rules
f) something else (please explain)

OTHER

Starting Time GMT 0100 friday (8pm est - 5pm pst -11am aussie time (I think))

Cyber has volunteered to host - must reset oracle and should have a no tech start waiting at GMT 0100 friday

Who's playing (below is who I think is playing please confirm)

Cyber-Spider
Deity
War4ever
markusf
Deity Dude

I think thats everything. If I missed something let me know.

	17-02-2004 08:34									#30
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The undecided terms we will decide via vote. In the event of a tied or minority vote, a revote between the top two options will take place. You must vote to confirm you are playing.

1. - Wonders. C
2. - Interaction. B

I know how to extend Oracle, but how do I set up a no tech start? The only way I can see is to start a multiplayer game with myself + X AI's - this means players can only choose from available civs, not make their choice from the full list or customise. Is this the way or is there a better method?

And can everyone ICQ me at least 10 mins before start time.