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titansfan216 is offline titansfan216
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...-2004Feb12.html

Now not only do people disapprove of Bush on domestic issues, but on foreign policy issues as well.

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Most Americans believe President Bush either lied or deliberately exaggerated evidence that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction in order to justify war, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.

Barely half -- 52 percent -- now believe Bush is "honest and trustworthy," down seven points since late October and his worst showing since the question was first asked in March 1999. At his best, in the summer of 2002, Bush was viewed as honest by 71 percent. The survey found that while nearly seven in 10 think Bush "honestly believed" Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, 54 percent thought Bush exaggerated or lied about pre-war intelligence.

Fifty percent of Americans approve of the job he is doing, the lowest level of his presidency in the Post-ABC poll and down 8 percentage points from January. The survey found that, for the first time since the war ended, fewer than half of Americans -- 48 percent -- believe the war was worth fighting, down 8 points from last month. Fifty percent said the war was not worth it.

In a head-to-head matchup, Kerry beat Bush, 52 percent to 43 percent, among registered voters polled by the Post.

In a sign that Bush has been set back by recent controversies over Iraqi weapons, his National Guard record and the federal budget, the number of Americans viewing him as a "strong leader" has slipped to 61 percent, down 6 points from December and the lowest level since the 2001 terrorist attacks.

Bush's rating on handling the economy stood at 44 percent, down 7 percentage points, with nearly half of the public saying they are worse off now than they were three years ago when Bush became president. Six in 10 disapprove of the job Bush is doing creating jobs. On education, 47 percent said they approve of the job Bush is doing, down 8 points from January. And his handling of health care also has fallen.

But the president's declining ratings related to Iraq were most striking. Approval of his handling of the situation there has fallen to 47 percent, down eight points in the past three weeks. About half of Americans -- 51 percent -- said they would prefer a report evaluating the accuracy and use of pre-war intelligence before the election, while 35 percent favor what Bush has ordered: a broader study of the overall accuracy of U.S. intelligence gathering operations that reports its findings after the election.

Three in four Democrats said Bush either lied or exaggerated about what was known about Iraqi's weapons while an equally large majority of Republicans said the president did neither. Slightly more than half of all independents believed Bush had mislead the public about Iraqi's weapons cache.


I realize that some of this is due to the focus on the Democratic primaries, but his ratings are really falling even more than I thought they would.

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Everybody knows these polls are not accurate.... I will wait for the election. Not some poll with an inadequate sampling. And where was this poll done exactly? Questions never answered.

And Reagan had what.. a 37% approval rating in 1983? Who won the election?

Kerry is too liberal for the US.

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I hope this trand will continue unabated.

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The election is ten months away. These numbers are meaningless. Bin Laden could be captured in October.

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The election is ten months away. These numbers are meaningless.


See even the commie agrees with me.... in that regard.

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bush $170 million will definitly push his numbers up at least 5 points.

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bush is also against gay marriage.

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bush is also against gay marriage.


Yup. I can't agree with the man in everything. But I agree with him overall. So I will probably end up voting for him.

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Anyone who spends their days tracking polls this early should be given a straight jacket and taken to the nearest hospital.

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Yup. I can't agree with the man in everything. But I agree with him overall. So I will probably end up voting for him.


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Nice sig Oncle Boris btw

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Not some poll with an inadequate sampling. And where was this poll done exactly? Questions never answered.


"A total of 1,003 randomly selected adults were interviewed Feb 10 to 11. The margin of sampling error for the overall results is plus or minus 3 percentage points. "

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Barely half -- 52 percent -- now believe Bush is "honest and trustworthy,"


50% of Americans have an 'under average' intelligence. Which means only 4% of the intelligent ones are voting for Bush. AFAIK this is within the uncertainty of a poll.

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Nice sig Oncle Boris btw


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Wake me up in October then we can talk polls.

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"A total of 1,003 randomly selected adults were interviewed Feb 10 to 11. The margin of sampling error for the overall results is plus or minus 3 percentage points. "


That doesn't answer my question where it was done. That's why I don't take these polls for a grain of salt.

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Of course, if a poll came out saying that a democrat or a communist was losing support, you'd be the first to post it.

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Of course, if a poll came out saying that a democrat or a communist was losing support, you'd be the first to post it.


Yes and?

No seriously, I don't anymore. I don't bother looking at polls. I learnt they are faulty in nature.

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Fez: what are you doing voting in my country you damn fereigner!?!?!?

Bush is toast.

However, I do predict Osama will be "magically" captured close to the election. The tinfoil hattist in me says osama's been captured and they are waiting for the election.

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Fez: what are you doing voting in my country you damn fereigner!?!?!?


My dad serves in the government. I am also a resident of California.

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Bush is toast.


No you democrats are toast. If you nominate Kerry you're screwed.

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However, I do predict Osama will be "magically" captured close to the election. The tinfoil hattist in me says osama's been captured and they are waiting for the election.


And atomic bombs will turn up in Iraq.

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No you democrats are toast. If you nominate Kerry you're screwed.
I'm not a democrat... but they are the only alternative to the evil, corrupt corporate powers that currently are squatting in Washington.

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I'm not a democrat... but they are the only alternative to the evil, corrupt corporate powers that currently are squatting in Washington.


yeah and I am afraid of little purple unicorns that fly around with rocket launchers. Get a grasp on reality.

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yeah and I am afraid of little purple unicorns that fly around with rocket launchers.
dude... if there were little purple unicorns that fly around with rocket launchers, I guarantee you'd piss your pants

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Bush ought to be worried about the current polls. If a general perception develops that he's a loser, it will be hard to fight back from - especially since the media may turn on him.

He's had a bad week with his television mumblings, Powell going apeshit in that committee hearing, accusations of being AWOL, and what looks like the really stupid move of trying to question Kerry's patriotism (which might work, if not for the fact that Bush is currently being painted as a chickenhawk draft dodger).

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dude... if there were little purple unicorns that fly around with rocket launchers, I guarantee you'd piss your pants


Because of the amount of laughing I would do?

Agathon, get real.

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No you democrats are toast. If you nominate Kerry you're screwed.


Apparently they won't be alone. At least according to Drudge.

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I think Rove and company know the ship is sinking... right AFTER the State of the Union (2 weeks) Bush has to go on Meet the Press. That's nearly unheard of... that SOTU was weak, and the MTP was worse.

the significance of the MTP showing right after the SOTU is that the president (historically) has a jump in approval after the SOTU... but Bush's numbers only rose slighty (well below averages for post-SOTU approval rtngs)... he didn't get his message out... and/or the public didn't buy that bullshit.

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I think Rove and company know the ship is sinking... right AFTER the State of the Union (2 weeks) Bush has to go on Meet the Press. That's nearly unheard of... that SOTU was weak, and the MTP was worse.


You are wrong... as usual..

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the significance of the MTP showing right after the SOTU is that the president (historically) has a jump in approval after the SOTU... but Bush's numbers only rose slighty (well below averages for post-SOTU approval rtngs)... he didn't get his message out... and/or the public didn't buy that bullshit.


And some inaccurate polls tell that?

You need to get a grip on reality.

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You are wrong... as usual..
do you even watch TV? or read the newspapers? the SOTU stunk! and MTP was weak! You do realize you are the only one who thinks otherwise? I think former Reagan speechwriter Peggy Noonan put it best... "it was his worst showing post-9-11"
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And some inaccurate polls tell that?

You need to get a grip on reality.
sorry, I like REAL reality... not your corporate fascist fantasy land

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And atomic bombs will turn up in Iraq.


You provide no evidence, YOU PROVIDE NOTHING, and yet you want to come back to Apolyton and throw communists out of helicopters, you criminal!

 
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