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Comrade Tassadar is offline Comrade Tassadar
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Nice try. A common tactic for the failing: Ask how it can be, and then make the solution "off limits".
Sorry, but the US is going to either have to launch a long term operation or lose a HUGE amount of "prestige" that it really doesn't have.
And this is just in Iraq. 5K insurgents? Maybe.....
But in another nations, not only would the initial war be harder (as most of the troops wouldn't run away The US can hardly claim that the victory was because of its military power ) but the insurgency would be longer and uglier.
Keep staying in your little world where fascism reigns supreme, because it's obvious your not ready for reality

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Nice try. A common tactic for the failing: Ask how it can be, and then make the solution "off limits".
Sorry, but the US is going to either have to launch a long term operation or lose a HUGE amount of "prestige" that it really doesn't have.


And that is what it has been doing...

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Keep staying in your little world where fascism reigns supreme, because it's obvious your not ready for reality


I'm not fascist.

You are hopeless. I don't know why I bother. Nothing more than a troll.

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Polls this far in advance are a bad indication. Kerry has not been the subject of strong attack and has not yet had many negatives revealed. Still, I would point out Clinton and Reagan both had worse numbers at this point in there first term, and Dukakis was also far ahead of Bush I at this point.

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And that is what it has been doing...


And it's REALLY working, isn't it Fezzie?


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I'm not fascist.



Yeah yeah....

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You are hopeless. I don't know why I bother. Nothing more than a troll.


I'm not the hopeless one. I hate to admit it, but the capitalistvcommunist debates here have kind of nudged me a little more right.....
Could anyone ever change your mind? Nope

Giancarlo is offline Giancarlo
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You are such a troll.. no wonder everybody ignores you.

Comrade Tassadar is offline Comrade Tassadar
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You are such a troll.. no wonder everybody ignores you.


Yep....see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil.
Sorry Fez, but your attempts at diversion get you nowhere Debate the issue or bow out gracefully

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This is a fun thread!

"Yes it is"

"No it isn't"

"Yes."

"No."

"Yes."

"No! You're a moron!"

"Yes it is! ...and you're the moron!"

"Fascist!"

"Communist!"

hehe... Apolyton in a microcosm.

jon.

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Yep....see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil.
Sorry Fez, but your attempts at diversion get you nowhere Debate the issue or bow out gracefully


You are hilarious...

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The only difference is that Fezzie isn't the one trolling....he's the one chomping
Though I will admit, he was so beaten in this debate

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The only difference is that Fezzie isn't the one trolling....he's the one chomping
Though I will admit, he was so beaten in this debate


No I wasn't.

Sava is offline Sava
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The only difference is that Fezzie isn't the one trolling....he's the one chomping
Though I will admit, he was so beaten in this debate
well you aren't going to win any arguments or debates with "no..." "get a grip" "you're a moron"... etc...

I think Fez is intelligent enough to debate rationally... I just would like to see it. For instance, he should have brought up the point that polling, while sometimes accurate, can be error prone. And opinions could change.

see Fez... try actually countering someone's point with a point of your own. It's entertaining to watch you rant... but I'd much rather read your opinions and understand your point of view.

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well you aren't going to win any arguments or debates with "no..." "get a grip" "you're a moron"... etc...


Obviously.
Sava...I'm trolling him
Using his own words against him....I think it's been VERY effective

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see Fez... try actually countering someone's point with a point of your own. It's entertaining to watch you rant... but I'd much rather read your opinions and understand your point of view.


Sava.....Why are you acting compassionate?

Giancarlo is offline Giancarlo
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well you aren't going to win any arguments or debates with "no..." "get a grip" "you're a moron"... etc...

I think Fez is intelligent enough to debate rationally... I just would like to see it. For instance, he should have brought up the point that polling, while sometimes accurate, can be error prone. And opinions could change.

see Fez... try actually countering someone's point with a point of your own. It's entertaining to watch you rant... but I'd much rather read your opinions and understand your point of view.


I can debate rationally about hot guys... That's what I got on my mind right now. Not politics. So I'll pull out of this one.

I also said I am going to wait because the election is 10 months away.

Sava is offline Sava
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Obviously.
Sava...I'm trolling him
Using his own words against him....I think it's been VERY effective
eek that was directed at fez not u

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Sava.....Why are you acting compassionate?
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rev is offline rev
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The ABC News/Washington Post poll is seen as the most friendly to Bush post-9/11. It's conducted nationally among samples of voters -- samples determined by computer algorithms. The people that produce these polls are often hired by campaigns on both sides of the aisle for internal polling and tactics.

Here's an image showing where a multitude of polls have placed Bush's approval rating during his presidency:

http://www.pollkatz.homestead.com/files/image001.gif

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Thanks rev.

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People are finally coming to their senses on how corrupt, dishonest, and intolerant this administration really is. These guys make the Nixon Administration look like choirboys.

Barring something big like OBL's capture, I can see bush getting spanked in November. If not, I'm moving to Canada.

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To what post are you referring?

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People are finally coming to their senses on how corrupt, dishonest, and intolerant this administration really is. These guys make the Nixon Administration look like choirboys.

Barring something big like OBL's capture, I can see bush getting spanked in November. If not, I'm moving to Canada.


You must kidding yourself. Corrupt? In your dreams. Dishonest? This adminstration has been far more honest than previous ones. And intolerant? Not really.

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To what post are you referring?

All of yours in the first page, for example:

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Get a grip, Fez. Your wrong. Why can't you just admit it?


Constant failure to spell basic words correctly just looks annoying, that's why I brought this up.

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You must kidding yourself. Corrupt? In your dreams. Dishonest? This adminstration has been far more honest than previous ones. And intolerant? Not really.
what information can you present to support your "belief"?

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I don't know if they're corrupt, but it's not as if they don't give us enough fishy-smelling crap -- Halliburton's billions in contracts with its ex-CEO as the second-most powerful person in the US Government.

Especially when thins like this keep showing up:

MSNBC: Ex-Halliburton employees tell of overbilling

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All of yours in the first page, for example:



Constant failure to spell basic words correctly just looks annoying, that's why I brought this up.


The fact I was up at 4:30AM posting makes a bit of a difference.. I freaking hate apolyton.. so damn addicting.. why the hell did I show up again? You are wrong about that one.

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Thought it was worth posting the latest poll information in this thread... From CNN.com

CNN -- Despite a week of negative headlines about how his administration handled the threat of terrorism before the attacks of September 11, 2001, President Bush's political position against presumptive Democratic nominee Sen. John Kerry has strengthened, according to a new CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll.

The poll results suggest that the Bush campaign's attempts to paint Kerry as a tax-raising liberal who flip-flops on the issues has affected the race more than charges by former White House counterterrorism adviser Richard Clarke that Bush and his national security team didn't pay enough attention to al Qaeda in the months leading up to 9/11.

Among likely voters surveyed, 51 percent said they would choose Bush for president, while 47 percent said they would vote for Kerry, within the margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points.

Three weeks ago, as Kerry was cinching the Democratic nomination with a string of primary victories, he led the president by 8 points in a hypothetical head-to-head matchup among likely voters, 52 percent to 44 percent.

Part of the reason for the shift is that a more equal number of Democrats and Republicans now say they are likely to vote this year. In earlier polls taken in the heat of the primary season, Democrats had expressed more enthusiasm about voting than Republicans, which buoyed Kerry's numbers among likely voters.

In a three-way race with independent Ralph Nader, Bush was the choice of 49 percent, Kerry was picked by 45 percent and Nader by 4 percent.

Bush job approval rises

In another bit of good news for the White House, Bush's job approval rating stood at 53 percent in the latest poll, the highest number recorded on that question since January. Three weeks ago, the president's job approval was at 49 percent, dipping below the 50 percent threshold considered a sign of danger for an incumbent running for re-election.

The poll found that the Bush campaign's media blitz against Kerry -- which began earlier this month after he became the presumptive nominee -- has begun having an effect on how Americans perceive the four-term senator from Massachusetts.

In the latest survey, 41 percent of respondents said they thought Kerry was too liberal, compared to just 29 percent who thought so in February. Asked if they thought their own taxes would go up if Kerry wins, 58 percent said yes, while only 29 percent said no. And 57 percent said they believe Kerry has changed his mind on issues for political reasons.

Fifty-three percent of poll respondents said they had an overall favorable opinion of Kerry, down from 60 percent in February. The number who had an unfavorable opinion of Kerry was 36 percent, up 10 points since February.

Bush, at 57 percent, now has slightly higher favorability numbers than Kerry, and his favorability rating has remained virtually unchanged since February. However, the president's unfavorability rating is higher, at 41 percent.

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My dad serves in the government. I am also a resident of California.


Is your dad a U.S. citizen, or were you born in the U.S.? Otherwise, this doesn't mean anything--you wouldn't be able to vote unless you were a citizen.

 
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