31-03-2004 05:34									#121
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quote: Originally posted by rah I personally dislike Bushies stand on this but at least you know where he stands.

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I personally disliked Hitler's stand on the final solution but at least you knew where he stood.
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	31-03-2004 05:35									#122
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo Look at it his voting record, numb nuts. He's more liberal then Ted Kennedy. So why not support Ted Kennedy to be his VP?

I HAVE looked at his voting record, idiot.

It's crap. It means nothing, beyond the fact that as a Senator, his (effectively) primary job is to make sure as much money as possible is spent on his state.

	31-03-2004 05:36									#123
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quote: Originally posted by Kucinich I HAVE looked at his voting record, idiot. It's crap. It means nothing, beyond the fact that as a Senator, his (effectively) primary job is to make sure as much money as possible is spent on his state.

Nice way to throw out the facts. Well you are young, inexperienced when it comes to politics and you won't be voting.

	31-03-2004 05:38									#124
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Sounds like the tail end of my sig...

I'd post a poll asking Polytubbies who they thought was more "experienced" when it came to politics, but it's against the site rules. Who do you think would win

	31-03-2004 05:40									#125
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quote: Originally posted by Kucinich Sounds like the tail end of my sig... I'd post a poll asking Polytubbies who they thought was more "experienced" when it came to politics, but it's against the site rules. Who do you think would win

Me because I actually voted every time I had a chance. I voted in the recall and when prop 55, 56, 57 and 58 were up to ballot here in California. I also am politically active at my university in a political science club.

And damn noticing what Sava said to you.. I totally agree.. and that is rare. You are young and impressionable and once you enter college you will learn to think about things in more detail.

	31-03-2004 05:41									#126
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You know, Fez, it really doesn't show... or maybe you're just a REALLY slow learner.

	31-03-2004 05:44									#127
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quote: Originally posted by Kucinich You know, Fez, it really doesn't show... or maybe you're just a REALLY slow learner.

Oh please. It does show a lot indeed. You are the one who is a slow learner. You have a lot more to learn about the world.. and what are you? Just fresh in high school? That won't cut it. I am a very fast learner and I adapt to situations very quickly.

	31-03-2004 05:48									#128
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Fez: when did you become a citizen?

	31-03-2004 05:49									#129
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has fez gotten more irrational or is it just me.

	31-03-2004 05:50									#130
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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia has fez gotten more irrational or is it just me.

Just you. He's always been this irrational.

	31-03-2004 05:50									#131
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No, he's just posting more.

	31-03-2004 05:50									#132
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Fez: when did you become a citizen?

This is the richest bullshit I heard all day. I already was a citizen, especially since my dad serves in the US government, to be classified under his "orders" list I have to be a US citizen. (Also means I possess a black US passport, not only a blue one)

	31-03-2004 05:51									#133
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quote: Originally posted by Kucinich It means nothing, beyond the fact that as a Senator, his (effectively) primary job is to make sure as much money as possible is spent on his state.

It illustrates the philosophical core of the man.

	31-03-2004 05:52									#134
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so what sort of philosophical core does Hastert have?

	31-03-2004 05:52									#135
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He is different from Bush, how? Politicians are - get this - political animals.

	31-03-2004 05:52									#136
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or tom delay

	31-03-2004 05:56									#137
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo This is the richest bullshit I heard all day. I already was a citizen, especially since my dad serves in the US government, to be classified under his "orders" list I have to be a US citizen. (Also means I possess a black US passport, not only a blue one)

A question is bullshit?

Citizenship doesn't work that way in the U.S. You're not a natural-born citizen, that much we know. So the only way you could have become a citizen is through the naturalization process. Now, your dad isn't a U.S. citizen, obviously, or wasn't when you were born, because if he was, you wouldn't have to worry about being considered natural-born. The fact (as it may be) that he works for the U.S. government wouldn't grant him instant citizenship, either. Nor would it bestow it on you.

So when did you get your citizenship? Or are you trying to tell us the U.S. grants citizenship to foreign nationals without going through the naturalization process?

This isn't making much sense.

	31-03-2004 06:03									#138
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Citizenship doesn't work that way in the U.S. You're not a natural-born citizen, that much we know.

I'm not a natural born citizen, but so isn't the Governator. It is not like I want to run for president.. Arnold does, but I'm not him.

quote: Now, your dad isn't a U.S. citizen, obviously, or wasn't when you were born, because if he was, you wouldn't have to worry about being considered natural-born.

My dad's side is Italian, however my dad was born in Hartford, CT (I DID MENTION THIS ONCE BEFORE ON THIS FORUM!). My mom took an oath granting her citizenship under naturalization processes.

quote: The fact (as it may be) that he works for the U.S. government wouldn't grant him instant citizenship, either. Nor would it bestow it on you.

Read statement above.

quote: This isn't making much sense.

You aren't making much sense, and you just made yourself look like a complete fool.

	31-03-2004 06:17									#139
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo I'm not a natural born citizen, *snip*

I snipped all that wasn't relevant.

quote: My dad's side is Italian, however my dad was born in Hartford, CT (I DID MENTION THIS ONCE BEFORE ON THIS FORUM!). My mom took an oath granting her citizenship under naturalization processes.

So when did your mom take this oath? Before or after you were born?

Regardless, here's what doesn't mesh. You would be considered a natural-born citizen if you are:

"Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)"

Your father clearly fits the latter description, doesn't he? So you would be considered a natural-born citizen, as he was a natural-born citizen. So this contradicts the notion that you're not natural-born.

I think you need to clarify a bit more.

	31-03-2004 06:19									#140
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I see the personal crap is beginning again... no warning... next person is toast. So be very careful what you post.

	31-03-2004 06:21									#141
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I'm just asking questions.

	31-03-2004 06:24									#142
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Ming I'm not being offensive here, just explaining. But I will just respond to this...

quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Regardless, here's what doesn't mesh. You would be considered a natural-born citizen if you are: "Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)"

Then I guess I'm a natural-born citizen because my dad is one and he has lived in the US and let alone was born in the US.

quote: So this contradicts the notion that you're not natural-born.

That's not entirely true. I consider myself foreign as I was not born in the US, however in legal context, I am natural-born. I was however born in Madrid, Spain... making me eligible for an EU Spanish passport which I do possess.

That is all I have to say on the subject because it is taking it off the topic. I do not consider myself American, but rather a mix of Italian/Spanish roots. I'm more italian then anything (after recently finding out my family in Spain is in fact italian descended).

That is all.

	31-03-2004 06:26									#143
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo Then I guess I'm a natural-born citizen because my dad is one and he has lived in the US and let alone was born in the US.

You don't know? That seems so unlikely! How could you not know? You made a thread over the law about Arnold possibly being able to run for President thanks to a new constitutional ammendment, avering you were in the same position.

	31-03-2004 06:28									#144
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov You don't know? That seems so unlikely! How could you not know? You made a thread over the law about Arnold possibly being able to run for President thanks to a new constitutional ammendment, avering you were in the same position.

I did not quite know in that context. I always consider myself Spanish at any rate (AS I WAS BORN IN MADRID). If anything, I am moving there. But this thread is not about this, so lets take Mings advice on shutting up. I'm not commenting any further on this matter.

	31-03-2004 06:53									#145
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Just you. He's always been this irrational.

Actually he's gotten much better recently (all things being relative of course). At least he's not claiming that Peru reduced coca production by 250% or hopping in and out of the closet anymore.

quote: Then I guess I'm a natural-born citizen because my dad is one and he has lived in the US and let alone was born in the US.

Yeah, I think that Gian was misunderstanding the meaning of "natural-born" to mean born on US soil. I was born in Norway but I've always been a US citizen for example and as far as I know I'm allowed to run for President (not that I ever will of course).

	31-03-2004 07:02									#146
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Back on topic... or on to restictions... your choice...

Last edited by Ming on 31-03-2004 at 07:21

	31-03-2004 07:07									#147
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara The election is ten months away. These numbers are meaningless. Bin Laden could be captured in October.

Yea.

Honestly I won't be sad to see Bush go if the trend continues, but I fear a Kerry presidency.

	31-03-2004 09:13									#148
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quote: Originally posted by Kucinich [godwin] I personally disliked Hitler's stand on the final solution but at least you knew where he stood. [/godwin]

ouch

	31-03-2004 09:29									#149
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quote: Originally posted by Jaguar Warrior Yea. Honestly I won't be sad to see Bush go if the trend continues, but I fear a Kerry presidency.

Why? the man is a centrist and bland as cream cheese.

	31-03-2004 19:23									#150
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quote: making me eligible for an EU Spanish passport which I do possess.

And you said you'd renounce your Spanish passport. Sell out.