22-02-2004 03:31									#151
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel For shame.

Now, what's wrong about Holocaust jokes?

	22-02-2004 03:33									#152
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Actually I think you may be more racist than the joke. It said NOTHING about cannibals!

Again: who honestly pictured the cannibals as being anything else than Blacks or Polynesians?

	22-02-2004 03:34									#153
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quote: who honestly pictured the cannibals as being anything else than Blacks or Polynesians?

What cannibals?

	22-02-2004 03:34									#154
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quote: Originally posted by Oncle Boris Now, what's wrong about Holocaust jokes?

What's wrong with jokes about genocide... lemme see..... everything?!

	22-02-2004 03:35									#155
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: who honestly pictured the cannibals as being anything else than Blacks or Polynesians? What cannibals?

It's the broken phone meets monkeys in the cage classic. Or simply, not reading the actual first post in the thread.

	22-02-2004 03:37									#156
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Again: who honestly pictured the cannibals as being anything else than Blacks or Polynesians?

No one.

Again, Spiffor, knowing you're French, am I being racist because I picture you as a white caucasian male, even though I know you could bery well be Arab, Black, etc?

	22-02-2004 03:37									#157
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quote: Or simply, not reading the actual first post in the thread.

Indeed. I wonder about all these people talking about cannibals. Where did they come from? Obviously the joke doesn't mention any.

	22-02-2004 03:38									#158
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Racism is hatred, not taking the piss. If I took the piss out of black people out of joviality, I would be shot down by political correctness. If I make a statement based on some hatred then yes I would be racist but come on. We take the piss out of the Irish, the French etc.

	22-02-2004 03:39									#159
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Indeed. I wonder about all these people talking about cannibals. Where did they come from? Obviously the joke doesn't mention any.

Stop nitpicking. There may be no cannibals in the joke, but there is a tribe that we are picturing nevertheless.

	22-02-2004 03:40									#160
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They're all racists, of course. ( Helping drive your implied point for you, Imran. are you happy now? )

	22-02-2004 03:40									#161
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quote: Stop nitpicking. There may be no cannibals in the joke, but there is a tribe that we are picturing nevertheless.

It's not a nitpick. It is VERY telling. People on this thread consider any 'natives' in Africa or Polynesia to be cannibals. I think that speaks more for their racism than the joke's.

	22-02-2004 03:42									#162
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui It's not a nitpick. It is VERY telling. People on this thread consider any 'natives' in Africa or Polynesia to be cannibals. I think that speaks more for their racism than the joke's.

No, the reason for this is that the teacher asked them to think about the word 'cannibal'. The word is located two lines above the joke, in the original post.

	22-02-2004 03:43									#163
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui What cannibals?

Sorry I've just re-read the opening joke:

Who honestly pictured the natives playing Bunga-bunga as anything else than Black or Polynesians?

	22-02-2004 03:45									#164
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel What's wrong with jokes about genocide... lemme see..... everything?!

I don't know. A joke is a chain of words. No one killed anybody to write it.

Is it going to change anything about what happened 60 years ago? Why is it that 'French surrender jokes' are so funny? Don't these bring back memories of the 30 years war, the death of the many poor French soldiers?

	22-02-2004 03:45									#165
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Indeed. I wonder about all these people talking about cannibals. Where did they come from?

The Imran's post I replied to.

	22-02-2004 03:46									#166
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quote: No, the reason for this is that the teacher asked them to think about the word 'cannibal'. The word is located two lines above the joke, in the original post.

And, like Ves said, the kid was totally unprepared so threw in a joke. It had only very limited correlation with the topic. The question was was the JOKE racist! Secondly we have no idea which 'natives' we are talking about. What if the person had in mind South American natives? Why does Africa pop up? It's silly.

	22-02-2004 03:50									#167
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui And, like Ves said, the kid was totally unprepared so threw in a joke. It had only very limited correlation with the topic. Secondly we have no idea which 'natives' we are talking about. What if the person had in mind South American natives? Why does Africa pop up? It's silly.

You're mixing up stuff.

The teacher had probably prepared his lecture- in which the word 'cannibal' would be the fittest example to illustrate his point, i.e. that some words carry an unconscious stereotype. The teacher tought about it: 'cannibal' was an educated choice.

Now, is it wrong that a word carries a stereotype? No. The teacher is stupid.

Then, why are the Polyers assuming the joke talks about cannibals? Simply, because the word cannibal is written two lines above the joke, and that the post seems to assume that the joke WILL be talking about cannibals.

edit: syntaxic corrections

	22-02-2004 03:53									#168
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quote: But now, why are the Polyers assuming the joke talks about cannibals? Simply, because the word cannibal is written two lines above the joke, and that the post seems to assume that the joke WILL be talking about cannibals.

Perhaps the post does, but I don't think the joke considered them cannibals at all.. because there is no reference to cannibalism in the joke. Perhaps the lecture dealt with tribes who engaged in cannibalism, and the student thought of a joke for that part of the world.

If the joke was about cannibals, wouldn't "bunga-bunga" have meant eating other people or something of that nature?

	22-02-2004 03:53									#169
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OB is completely correct. The cries of racism are inconsistent and frankly absurd. People should lighten up and not be so bound by political correctness. It says something about peoples acceptance of history if they get offended by jokes on the Holocaust or slavery.

	22-02-2004 03:58									#170
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Whaleboy:

I'm sure you's just love if I was joking and laughing about your dead mother

	22-02-2004 03:59									#171
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Perhaps the post does, but I don't think the joke considered them cannibals at all..

Exact. If you tell this joke outside of the Poly context, which was spoiled in the way the joke was brought up, no one would have imagined the tribe as being cannibal.

It remains the vast majority would associate the tribe with Africa, Polynesia, or America (maybe the Tupis).
That's why I think you were nitpicking.

There were indeed no references to cannibalism in the joke, but the teacher made a lecture about RACISM. The joke was merely what inspired him to do so.

	22-02-2004 04:01									#172
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quote: I'm sure you's just love if I was joking and laughing about your dead mother

It wouldn't be polite to do it to my face, but then, I'm still alive . And you wouldnt be doing so out of hatred for me or my mother one presumes.

	22-02-2004 15:57									#173
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I don't find it racist, and I'M WHITE! So go rub that in your professors face. But seriously, the only angle I can see where that would be racist, would be is the whole "reenforcing a negative stereotype" thing. But have there been any white cannibal tribes? I think your prof. is just trying to compensate for his own bigotry, or just general shortcomings in some other are by making himself feel above the rest of you. That is definitley not racist, it doesn't even qualify as a gay joke.

	23-02-2004 01:30									#174
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About cases of "white" cannibalism: There is a case of archaeological evidence pointing to the possibility of cannibalism in the Minoan culture, but this is very debattable and the evidence is far from conclusive.
Greek historians (Herodot) have it that there was a Scythian practice of cannibalism. Germanic warriors drinking blood from skulls isn't far from cannibalism either, especially if we accept that most of cannibalistic acts are religious rituals involving only the consumption of certain parts of the body of slain enemies in order to get their strength. Nobody had "Human ribs on Gorgonzola sauce" for dinner anyway...
And then there is two things: a) Documentation Of course we are better informed on the practices and rituals of American, African and pacific tribes because European scholars made notes. Don't forget that the number of recorded cases of cannibalism are not many compared to the total of observations.
b) Again one has to see that the accusing of cannibalism was a very powerful tool to legitimate conquests. Does that mean that no cannibalism existed? Of course not, but the number tenfolded and became a stereotype - that's exactly what makes it racist.


@Imran: Even if we eliminate the cannibal thing from the argument there still is the sodomy which doesn't change anything about the nature of the joke. The very word "bunga-bunga" is a stereotype which leads the imagination automatically towards Africa or the South Pacific.

@Whaleboy: I'm sure someone would tell a joke about your dean mom because he likes you so much...

	23-02-2004 01:34									#175
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quote: Originally posted by Wernazuma III @Imran: Even if we eliminate the cannibal thing from the argument there still is the sodomy which doesn't change anything about the nature of the joke. The very word "bunga-bunga" is a stereotype which leads the imagination automatically towards Africa or the South Pacific.

That's the point of the joke! The listener must not know the meaning of bunga-bunga: this adds a lot to the effect of surprise.