18-02-2004 19:21									#1
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The BBC is reporting that the Danish government is planning on instituting new immigration laws which would ban radical Islamic Imams from immigrating to the country.

If you advocat violence then you are not the type of citizen the Danes want in their country and I applaud them for being honest enough to say so. Especially since the politically correct crowd is going to try to, falsely, call them racist.

Edited to fix a type-o.

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	18-02-2004 19:27									#2
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quote: If you advocat violence then you are the type of citizen the Danes want in their country

DON'T want, DON'T want .

	18-02-2004 19:31									#3
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quote: If you advocat violence then you are the type of citizen the Danes want in their country

That psyop stuff is messing you up man.

	18-02-2004 19:41									#5
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Type-o fixed.

	18-02-2004 19:46									#6
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I think they're right, but I sure hope they have more measures than that to fight radical Islamism. Because this measure is sure to be inefficient if they don't make islamism unattractive in general.

This measure can only be useful in order to avoid foreign agitators to stir trouble ex nihilo. However, if there are existing reasons for Muslims to turn radical, this measure is already useless.

	18-02-2004 19:49									#7
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True.

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BTW, you may be interested in the last post I just written in The Fwench thread.

	18-02-2004 20:06									#9
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I'll check it out.

	18-02-2004 20:45									#10
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Is this significant news? really?

And if anyone wants opinions: states have the right to set immigration policy. While I don't think this will do much of anything, they are not wrong in doing it.

	18-02-2004 20:54									#11
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Is this significant news? really?

Well, I don't know. The new political situation in Denmark is pretty interesting given our past, but if they do a story on it every time our parlament passes new and creative anti-immigration legislation, the BBC journalists must be rather busy people. Besides, the new right just doesn't generate the shock effect that it used to anymore.

I'm all for it, by the way (how could you not?)

	18-02-2004 20:54									#12
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Is this significant news? really? And if anyone wants opinions: states have the right to set immigration policy. While I don't think this will do much of anything, they are not wrong in doing it.

states have the "right" to do a lot of things. they have the armies remember.

	18-02-2004 22:07									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Because this measure is sure to be inefficient if they don't make islamism unattractive in general.

Unattractive? How? If you were referring to fundamentalism, I agree. However the mainstream Islam is a benevolent religion. It's same with Christianity, we have our own shares of loonies at the fringes. Someone made an interesting point somewhere else that Islam is at that point of time where the Christianity was during the Reformation period which wasn't exactly a pretty period of time. In the other words, they're working out their own religion identity.

quote: However, if there are existing reasons for Muslims to turn radical, this measure is already useless.

I absolutely agree. We need to examine at factors that contribute to the increase in Islamic fanaticism and take steps to take away those factors in order to encourage the shift toward a less extreme version of Islam.

	18-02-2004 22:32									#14
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quote: Originally posted by yavoon states have the "right" to do a lot of things. they have the armies remember.

any ohter obvious things you feel like posting?

	18-02-2004 22:36									#15
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I think they're right... but why just limit it to Muslims?

Why not ban all visitors and immigrants who advocate violence?

	18-02-2004 22:36									#16
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Denmark We should follow their lead here.

	18-02-2004 22:40									#17
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quote: Originally posted by GePap any ohter obvious things you feel like posting?

why hate on the obvious? no reason to. ya big shmuck.

	18-02-2004 22:55									#18
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quote: Originally posted by yavoon why hate on the obvious? no reason to. ya big shmuck.

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Denmark is right about many things. At least when it comes to immigration

	18-02-2004 23:01									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Gangerolf Denmark is right about many things. At least when it comes to immigration

Indeed. We should reward them by helping them to take back Skane, their former territories in the South of what is today Sweden.

	18-02-2004 23:20									#21
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Sure. One problem though: what to do with all those radical imams who would be included in such a "reconquest"?

	18-02-2004 23:22									#22
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Ahahahahahaha. What exactly do you plan on doing about radical muslim Imams who are already EU citizens? Good luck with trying to exclude them.

	18-02-2004 23:31									#23
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Time will take care of that. I mean, most of the radical imams were born abroad and hopefully things aren't that bad in the EU that people born and raised there will turn into hatespewing radical imams.

	18-02-2004 23:52									#24
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When do they disinvited the communists?

	19-02-2004 00:23									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Ned When do they disinvited the communists?

When they become a factor that must be reckoned with, of course

Actually I think the new immigrant laws require that the applicant pledges loyalty to Danish legislation before he may be awarded citizenship.

	19-02-2004 01:46									#26
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Monk, loyalty to Denmark's goverment? I think such a requirement would also disqualify communists.

Obviously, by selecting only radical Muslims and not radical leftists for "special" treatment, Denmark is at least being inconsistent if not racist.

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quote: Originally posted by Ned Monk, loyalty to Denmark's goverment? I think such a requirement would also disqualify communists. Obviously, by selecting only radical Muslims and not radical leftists for "special" treatment, Denmark is at least being inconsistent if not racist.

Loyalty to Denmark and its laws, as far as I remember.

You're right in principle, but you've got to remember it's not the radical leftists (or the fascists, the anarchists or whatever anti-establishment group we can think of) that constitute our problem. That aside, I'm quite sure the law doesn't specifically mention Muslims as such a law would probably be ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court. So I'd like to believe, anyway.

	19-02-2004 02:07									#28
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Denmark has got some harsh critics from the Swedish Social Democrat goverment recently, due to the new immigration policies. But I can't see why Göran Persson at the same time is so silent about Finland. Denmark is trying to introduce an immigrant policy similar to what Finland always had. I remember when I lived in Finland 10 years ago, and heard on the radio news:

Finland will accept refugees. It is 200 people from former Yugoslavia who will arrive early next year...

This was told in September, at a period when 200 Yugo refugees arrived to Sweden with every ferry from Germany.

I think Denmark went too far on at least one issue: Danes are no longer allowed to marry foreigners. I don't remember the exact details of the new law, but I think it was introduced to prevent Danish muslims to arrange weddings for their kids with people from their former country and then move the whole family to Denmark. However, they probably can't make this law muslim-specific. The law gets absurd consequenses, as native Danes can't marry someone they have fallen in love with while on holiday, or met on the Web. Perhaps a Dane can explain this law better than me, but the consequence is that Danes move to Sweden to marry.

	19-02-2004 02:13									#29
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Ah, you're Robinson-Robban! I always suspected.

	19-02-2004 02:15									#30
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And you're a bald Santa. Well, you have ten months to grow a new beard