18-02-2004 20:13									#1
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Welcome to the Apolyton League (#20613)!

I'll thinking another Slow Live Draft that we do on this site (Offline).

If you want a team, post here, and I'll PM you the information. I'm thinking we should go with 12 teams (but if not enough sign on, we can reduce that). Of course we need to fill them quickly, because we have a month and a half until Opening Day, and for a slow live draft we'll need a good 2-3 weeks.

We have some decisions to make.

Maximum teams in league:
4 - 20 (I'm thinking 12 would be good)

Type of scoring:
Rotisserie, Points Only, Head-to-Head (We've usually done H-2-H)

Player universe:
All baseball, NL only, AL only (ALL, definitely)

Maximum player acquisitions for entire season:
No maximum, No player acquisitions allowed, 1 - 40 (I'm thinking no Max)

Maximum trades for entire season:
No maximum, No trades allowed, 1 - 40 (I'm thinking No Max here as well)

Time managers have to protest pending trades:
League cannot reject trades, 1 - 7 day[s] (I'm thinking 1 day)

Last date to trade player:
August 1, August 8, August 15, August 22, August 29 (How's Aug 15th Sound?)

Time players are on waivers:
No waivers, 1 - 7 day[s] (2 days good?)

Can't Cut list provider?
None, Yahoo! Sports Details (I put down None, but I can go either way)

Trades reviewed by:
League Votes, Commissioner (since we are doing 1 day pending, I put down Commish, if you'd rather vote, I'd rather do more days pending on trades then)

After draft, make all unowned players:
Free Agents, Follow Waiver Rules (Waiver)

Maximum innings pitched per team:
No Maximum, 1 - 50 (I have 0 down)

Allow roster changes:
Daily - Tomorrow, Weekly on Sunday, Weekly on Monday, Weekly on Tuesday, Weekly on Wednesday, Weekly on Thursday, Weekly on Friday, Weekly on Saturday (I STRONGLY prefer Weekly... I put down for Monday)

Start League scoring on:
Tuesday, Mar 30, Wednesday, Mar 31, Thursday, Apr 1, Friday, Apr 2, Saturday, Apr 3, Sunday, Apr 4, Monday, Apr 5, Tuesday, Apr 6, Wednesday, Apr 7, Thursday, Apr 8, Friday, Apr 9, Saturday, Apr 10, Sunday, Apr 11, Monday, Apr 12 (Opening Day, obviously)

Also Positions and Roster Sizes, we have these to pick from:

Catcher (C):
First Base (1B):
Second Base (2B):
Third Base (3B):
Shortstop (SS):
Corner Infielder (CI):
Middle Infielder (MI):
Infielder (IF):
Left Fielder (LF):
Center Fielder (CF):
Right Fielder (RF):
Outfield (OF):
All Batters (Util):

Pitchers
Starters (SP):
Relievers (RP):
All Pitchers (P):

Miscellaneous
Disabled List (DL):
Bench (BN):

I'm thinking- c, 1b, 2b, 3b, ss, cf, of, of, u, sp, sp, sp, sp, rp, rp, 5 bench (for total of 20), and 2 DL spots.

Stat Catagories:

Batters
Games Played (GP)
Batter Games (GP)
Games Started (GS)
At Bats (AB)
Runs (R)
Hits (H)
Singles (1B)
Doubles (2B)
Triples (3B)
Home Runs (HR)
Runs Batted In (RBI)
Sacrifice Hits (SH)
Sacrifice Flys (SF)
Stolen Bases (SB)
Caught Stealing (CS)
Walks (BB)
Intentional Walks (IBB)
Hit By Pitch (HBP)
Strikeouts (K)
Ground Into Double Play (GIDP)
Total Bases (TB)
Putouts (PO)
Assists (A)
Errors (E)
Fielding Percentage (FPCT)
Batting Average (AVG)
On-base Percentage (OBP)
Slugging Percentage (SLG)
On-base + Slugging Percentage (OPS)

Pitchers
Games Played (GP)
Pitching Appearances (APP)
Games Started (GS)
Innings Pitched (IP)
Wins (W)
Losses (L)
Complete Games (CG)
Shutouts (SHO)
Saves (SV)
Outs (OUT)
Hits (H)
Total Batters Faced (TBF)
Runs (R)
Earned Runs (ER)
Home Runs (HR)
Walks (BB)
Intentional Walks (IBB)
Hit Batters (HBP)
Strikeouts (K)
Wild Pitches (WP)
Balks (BLK)
Stolen Bases Allowed (SB)
Batters Grounded Into Double Plays (GIDP)
Save Chances (SVOP)
Holds (HLD)
Total Bases Allowed (TB)
Earned Run Average (ERA)
(Walks + Hits)/ Innings Pitched (WHIP)
Strikeouts per Walk Ratio (K/BB)
Strikeouts per Nine Innings (K/9)

My picks:
Runs, HRs, RBIs, SB, BA, OBP, SLG, TB
Wins, Losses, Saves, ERA, Ks, BB, WHIP

I forgot what we agreed with, but these catagories can be changed at any time.

Last edited by Imran Siddiqui on 19-02-2004 at 02:38

	18-02-2004 20:19									#2
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I'd like in.

	18-02-2004 20:19									#3
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I would agree with just about everything you suggest, with the exception of having HR, SLG, and TB. I think two of the three would be sufficient, and I would consider using fielding percentage instead of the third option.

I also have no preference when it comes to reviewing trades; if people do want to vote, I would recommend at least three days leeway.

	18-02-2004 20:23									#4
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quote: the exception of having HR, SLG, and TB. I think two of the three would be sufficient, and I would consider using fielding percentage instead of the third option.

Adding Defense to Fantasy baseball?! Gasp

What do the rest of you guys think? I'll PM people who express interest, but any easier way would be if you emailed me .

	18-02-2004 21:21									#5
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The Love Haters are poised to dominate the 2004 Apolyton Fantasy Baseball season.

	18-02-2004 21:54									#6
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Love Haters. Sounds like the split personality of Fez/Giancarlo.
Congrats.

	18-02-2004 21:59									#7
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Either that or what happens when Sava and Giancarlo get together .

	18-02-2004 22:06									#8
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Wish I could take credit for that. Stole it from Outkast.

	19-02-2004 00:31									#9
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Its that time of year again

The catagories don't matter too much to me, as long as there aren't any weird ones. Positions don't matter too much, teams of 20 or 21 are fine, but if there are more teams there should be less players on the bench so the FA pool won't be sucked dry.

I'll PM you in a minute....

	19-02-2004 00:49									#10
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*runs in*

baseball sucks!

*runs out*

	19-02-2004 01:08									#11
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I'm interested. Without a fantasy team, I usually have a difficult time keeping attention to a season.

	19-02-2004 01:12									#12
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Remember guys, you have to be here constantly for the next month or so to make the draft picks. Remember that before you sign in .

	19-02-2004 01:22									#13
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YEAH! What Imran said!


This year, I'm trying something new in the draft.
I'm going to relax. That's the plan anyway.

	19-02-2004 01:26									#14
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Don't worry, I can be active during the next month.

	19-02-2004 01:36									#15
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hitters (7 positives, 3 negatives)

AB, H, R, AVG, RBI, HR, TB, BB, SO, E,

pitchers

IP, W, L, ERA, K, BB, SV, H, GIDP

As you can see, the only formulas used here are AVG and ERA. Since neither of these can be equal to infinity for any batter/ hitter, there can be no computer mistakes on calculation. OBP and SLG is both measured since walks, hits, total bases and at bats are counted.
batters now have some negatives so that Randall Simon, Strikeout Sosa and Swing for the fences Palmeiro all lose some of their value. Weak defesive players (jeter, nomar) also lose their value because of E

with pitching, WHIP is represented with BBs, Hits, and IP, instead of using the formula. i think we should repace the GIDP with something else, but im not sure what yet.

	19-02-2004 02:20									#16
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I'd include WHIP, because I don't really want an IP stat in there. Just not a fan of simply rewarding more innings thrown.

Oh, I guess you want in? You didn't say

	19-02-2004 02:31									#17
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quote: Maximum innings pitched per team: No Minimum, 1 - 50 (I have 7 down)

What's that, Imran? If that's innings per week better to have no maximum. We better have a minimum per week though so people can't throw a bunch of closers and elite middle relievers.

The positions are okay but I'd like to go with 21 roster slots and 1 day waiver period. Last year we had 7 pitchers each week...

Stats:

Batters

Runs (R)
Hits (H)
Doubles (2B)
Home Runs (HR)
Runs Batted In (RBI)
Stolen Bases (SB)
Strikeouts (K) *
Total Bases (TB)
Batting Average (AVG)
On-base + Slugging Percentage (OPS)

Pitchers

Wins (W)
Losses (L)
Complete Games (CG) *
Shutouts (SHO) *
Saves (SV)
Strikeouts (K)
Holds (HLD)
Earned Run Average (ERA)
(Walks + Hits)/ Innings Pitched (WHIP)
Strikeouts per Walk Ratio (K/BB)
Strikeouts per Nine Innings (K/9)

The categories with the * are my lowest priorities.

	19-02-2004 02:37									#18
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quote: What's that, Imran? If that's innings per week better to have no maximum. We better have a minimum per week though so people can't throw a bunch of closers and elite middle relievers.

Sorry, typo... I have no maximum, but I have a minimum. I must have not read it correctly when I posted.

For Roster sizes, we can submit it to a vote. Also for stats as well.

I think that K/9 and K/BB would overlap too much giving the high K guys much more points. I'd rather just put in BBs. Also I think the Pitchers should have one less catagory than the batters. Pitchers tend to dominate the league anyway, better to reduce their influence a tad.

I'd also prefer BBs to 2Bs (if we have 2Bs then why not 3Bs... all that is covered by TBs, no?).

	19-02-2004 02:40									#19
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im strongly against nearly all calculated stats, but especially K/BB. WHIP and K/9 are just redundant if you have IP, K, and BB.

	19-02-2004 02:42									#20
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I guess the one problem I have is that I don't like IP as a Fantasy stat... but maybe it'll have to come in.. who knows what the rest of the people want .

We should be able to pick Win Shares though, dammit

	19-02-2004 02:45									#21
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hmm cant login to league

	19-02-2004 02:49									#22
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Why, what does it tell you?

If you continue to have problems, PM me your email, and I'll send it there directly from the league page.

	19-02-2004 03:00									#23
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says league is not in pre draft, and password is incorrect.

	19-02-2004 03:02									#24
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Lemme in, damnit

Edit: I see that Holds are a possibility for Pitching stats. Could we add those and even up the hitting and pitching categories?

Last edited by Vlad Antlerkov on 19-02-2004 at 03:07

	19-02-2004 03:07									#25
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ok it worked.

	19-02-2004 03:17									#26
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I want in!

	19-02-2004 03:17									#27
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I agree re: holds.

	19-02-2004 04:05									#28
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quote: I have no maximum, but I have a minimum

Is that what the "7" referred to? I think we had 15 or 16 minimum innings pitched/week last year and that worked quite well except for the slight scare during the all-star break. But even then we all got our minimum in... Of course, we had 7 pitching slots to use last year. If we have only 6 slots someone might lose their weekly pitching stats during all-star week.

quote: I'd also prefer BBs to 2Bs (if we have 2Bs then why not 3Bs... all that is covered by TBs, no?).

Not enough triples per week to bother with, but I like doubles because it rewards faster runners and gap hitters who don't hit alot of homers. But if you want to add BB's to increase batting categories in addition to doubles, that's cool with me. It kind of sucks having a Barry Bonds who gets walked all the time...

LoA - I think you must have made a mistake reading the stats last year, I don't remember any problem with infinity and composite stats and I was paying attention. I suppose we could avoid composite stats, at least as much as possible. We could have Hits allowed, BB's and K's instead of WHIP, K/BB, and K/9 inn.

What do you think Imran? Should we try to avoid composite pitching stats?

I'll vote for these stats:

Runs (R)
Hits (H)
Doubles (2B)
Home Runs (HR)
Runs Batted In (RBI)
Stolen Bases (SB)
Strikeouts (K)
Walks (BB)
Total Bases (TB)
Batting Average (AVG)
On-base + Slugging Percentage (OPS)

Pitchers

Wins (W)
Losses (L)
Saves (SV)
Strikeouts (K)
Walks (BB)
Holds (HLD)
Earned Run Average (ERA)
Hits allowed
Total Bases Allowed (TB)

That's 11 batting and 9 pitching. Am I missing any good stats there?

	19-02-2004 04:22									#29
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Hitters
R
H
HR
RBI
TB
AVG
OPS
K

Pitchers
W
L
SV
K
BB
ERA
BAA
WHIP

I think it would be good to have an even number of pitching and hitting stats, but it doesn't matter too much to me as long as there aren't more than 16 or 17 catagories.

Also min innings pitched should probably be raised a little higher, in one week 3 or 4 relievers could easily thrown 7 innings. 15 would prevent this 'strategy' better and wouldn't really affect anyone who plays without this 'strategy'.

	19-02-2004 04:33									#30
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quote: It kind of sucks having a Barry Bonds who gets walked all the time...

Indeed. Which is why I thought of Walks if we don't have OBP.

quote: What do you think Imran? Should we try to avoid composite pitching stats?

I actually have no problems with composite pitching stats, as long as we don't basically duplicate those composites by our non-composite stats.

quote: That's 11 batting and 9 pitching. Am I missing any good stats there?

Still not a fan of Doubles . 10-9 could work well. I'd rather have WHIP than Total Bases Allowed as well (that's more a function of defense than the pitcher, IMO).

quote: I think it would be good to have an even number of pitching and hitting stats

Too much chance for ties.

quote: Also min innings pitched should probably be raised a little higher, in one week 3 or 4 relievers could easily thrown 7 innings. 15 would prevent this 'strategy' better and wouldn't really affect anyone who plays without this 'strategy'.

You and Berz have both said this. I'm willing to increase it to 15 if there are few objections.