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Originally posted by GePap
Interestingly enough, the Daily News had an interesting piece about the movie yesterday writen by a theologian bringing up an obvious point that it seemed I had missed- I forget which Italian director it was, but one of them made a movie which was basically filming the Gospel of either Mark or Luke, but filming it straight-no script, only the gospel.
Now, Gibson is NOT using any one gospel, and the fact is that the four gospels differ significantly in what events they mention and in the events of his life- Gibson picked and chose the words from each gospel he wanted, so when he says "this is what the Bible says", well, in a way, yes, but he wrote the script, mixed up the four gospels, and thus he does have a choice of what gets included and what is not. |
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no there isn't significant difference
there are a few things which seem slightly inconsistent, but nothing major
for the most part (or entirely) differences are because one gospel doesn't include something, not that there is incapabilities between two accounts
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of Ice Cream
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of the Big Apple
Nov 2001
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If the story of jesus is so singular, ad Jon Miller states, then why make 4 different versions of it cannonical? After all, the Church had plenty of time to just say -this is the story of Christ's life, PERIOD, instead of keeping 4 different stories which sometimes mentioned one thing, sometimes not, leave crucial points out and so forth- for example, if you read John, there is no mention of the census and moving around by Mary and Jospeph becuase of it..so if as Jon Miller says, there are NO inconsistencies, why the redundancy?
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Dauphin
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Caught in a tuna net
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If the films were not grossly ahistorical then I wouldn't think anything of it. Yes the English have been oppressive, but they did not do many of the things depicted in those movies, and the 'downtrodden' are martyred beyond recognition.
I've also seen him in a few interviews discussing these films, his thoughts about the English roles in these films did not dissuade me from the inkling that he disliked the English, rather it persuaded me of it even more.
I hear that he's making another flick soon, here's the synopsis:
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THE BRAVEST NAZI
Brave Nazi officer Adolph Hitler (Mel Gibson) is distraught when his beautiful young wife, Eva Braun (Cameron Diaz) is killed by an unprovoked English bombing raid. He pledges to get even on the cruel English pig dogs, but when he can’t convince his peace-loving superiors to sanction a war, he takes matters into his own hands, and recruits troops for his own invasion of England.
Aboard their small coracle, he raises morale with the following speech: “The colonial scourge of the dreaded English has oppressed and repressed free people for centuries… But now the tide is turning. We, the people of Germany, shall unite the free peoples of this world, and teach the English a lesson, for the hate and prejudice they have inflicted upon this fragile, beautiful sphere… They can bomb our cities, but they can NEVER BOMB OUR HEARTS!”
The movie climaxes with a pulse-pounding fist-fight between brave Adolph, and the cruel English ruler, Winston Churchill (Winston Churchill), atop the Houses Of Parliament. When Adolph gets the upper hand, the sobbing, pitiful Churchill begs for his life. Adolph spares him, but as he turns his back, Churchill cowardly stubs his cigar out on Adolph’s head, killing him instantly… But his legend lives on!
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quote:
Originally posted by GePap
If the story of jesus is so singular, ad Jon Miller states, then why make 4 different versions of it cannonical? After all, the Church had plenty of time to just say -this is the story of Christ's life, PERIOD, instead of keeping 4 different stories which sometimes mentioned one thing, sometimes not, leave crucial points out and so forth- for example, if you read John, there is no mention of the census and moving around by Mary and Jospeph becuase of it..so if as Jon Miller says, there are NO inconsistencies, why the redundancy? |
a life is a long time
and we have numerous accounts of other people
what is wrong about having numerous accounts of Christ's life?
and having them all be cannonical
and what one person thinks is crucial, another might not
that is generally the way about stories of people
the redundancy exists because of course if multiple people are writing about the same person they will tell about similiar things
basically quit being completely illogical
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MACEDONIA - It's the name of the sovereign country to the north of Greece
Apr 2000
time: 07:34
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quote:
THE BRAVEST NAZI
Brave Nazi officer Adolph Hitler (Mel Gibson) is distraught when his beautiful young wife, Eva Braun (Cameron Diaz) is killed by an unprovoked English bombing raid. He pledges to get even on the cruel English pig dogs, but when he can’t convince his peace-loving superiors to sanction a war, he takes matters into his own hands, and recruits troops for his own invasion of England.
Aboard their small coracle, he raises morale with the following speech: “The colonial scourge of the dreaded English has oppressed and repressed free people for centuries… But now the tide is turning. We, the people of Germany, shall unite the free peoples of this world, and teach the English a lesson, for the hate and prejudice they have inflicted upon this fragile, beautiful sphere… They can bomb our cities, but they can NEVER BOMB OUR HEARTS!”
The movie climaxes with a pulse-pounding fist-fight between brave Adolph, and the cruel English ruler, Winston Churchill (Winston Churchill), atop the Houses Of Parliament. When Adolph gets the upper hand, the sobbing, pitiful Churchill begs for his life. Adolph spares him, but as he turns his back, Churchill cowardly stubs his cigar out on Adolph’s head, killing him instantly… But his legend lives on! |
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23-02-2004 23:23
. But I still find it disturbing that the general population will be seeing this stuff. They can't handle it like I can. 
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