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Comrade Tassadar
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Americans are _________, throw _________ at them!
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Ancyrean
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Back to Ankara, Turkey
Feb 2003
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Originally posted by Sava
but if god is omniscient, he knew there would be evil... so he knowingly created evil... doesn't that make god evil? |
God did not create evil. He gave the created the ability to choose. That refers to human beings, for us, God is not as visible as the comp screen before you, but rather, you have the choice of believing him or rejecting him. This ability to choose is what makes man superior to angels. And Satan is angel too, and angels by definition are intelligent but God is obvious to them, unlike us, so they have no choice. For them, it's not an issue of believing, it's one of seeing. Satan rebelled against God in full knowledge of God and his infinite wisdom. That was why he's an outcast now. Cursed, that is.
The whole idea of God vs Satan is a misconception of God, and elevation of Satan to a contender to God. There's no contest. We as humans everyday make choices and decisions. We are responsible in this world before the law and in the other before God for our choices. Satan's role is he reminds of the "bad" choice, he whispers it into our heart. This as such is not a war against God, but against man.
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YOU SEXIST MALE PIGS! GOD IS NOT NECESSARILY A HE!!!!!!!!!! IF I DON'T SEE YOU REFFERING TO GOD A S/HE SOON I'M GONNA HAVE THE GUERILLA GOIRLS ON YOUR ASS FASTER THAN YOU CAN SAY FEMINAZI! |
God has no sex, sex is an attribute of the created, not the creator. God needs no reproduction. As such, God is not a he or she, but the structure of western languages imposes a sexual difference in concepts in the minds of their speakers. In Turkish for example, there's no gender for third persons, everybody is referred to as the same third person singular ("o"). I don't know how to sole this dilemma in English, but I guess I have to stick with the conventional "he"  .
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Shi Huangdi
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Apr 1999
time: 00:34
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Originally posted by Aeson
So he created us with the knowlege. Do you thus agree that having knowlege (as would pertain to the choice and it's consequences) is a prerequisite of having the ability to choose?
If he gave us the knowlege to know how to choose, and like you say, being with him is where we are most happy (eh, whatever that means), why would anyone or anything choose to be anywhere but where they were most happy? (while given a perfect knowlege of the choices available and the consequences of their decision)
Why are we on the other hand required to chose without a perfect knowlege? |
Whether or not we know of God, he still acts on us through the Holy Spirit and through our conscience. If imperfect knowledge was the impediment, we hold out hope that through the extraordinary power and grace of God that they can be saved.
With perfect knowledge, you ask why anyone would not choose God. While it is certainly in our interest to choose God, and that would be the most rational choose, we don't not always make the best or most rational choice as is plainly visible.
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Ancyrean
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Back to Ankara, Turkey
Feb 2003
time: 12:34
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Originally posted by jimmytrick
I believe in God. I believe that the Bible is inspired, that the Bible should be spiritually interpreted rather than literally, but God, who is a spirit, is also real, alive and among us always.
Satan is the master of this world only by the will of God, which surpasses our understanding. Satan is no rival of God, but is also a spirit and also real, alive and among us always. |
God cannot be defined as "alive", which connotes there's death for him too. He's omnipresent and allpowerful
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You have the wrong idea of heaven. It's not a place of a bunch of clubs and fat babies with wings playing on harps, nor is hell a cafe with a bunch of men in red tights poking you with pitchforks.
Heaven is complete and perfect spiritual union with God, and the spiritual state in which we are most happy. Hell is the state of complete and perfect isolation from God, and the spiritual state in which we are most unhappy.
If you don't love God, why would you want to be in heaven and united with that which you do not love.
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Heaven is a state and a place of happiness and maturity from "sin".
Hell, on the other hand, is as much a place of pain as it is one of maturation, a process of getting rid of your side that forced you to do the "sins" that you did. It's a place of purification Even the satan will get his share of purification, but it will be rether, ah, "long", before this happens.
And God's onminpresence means that nowhere are you isolated from God. He's the creator of all the universes, known and unkonwn to us, he's present all around us, in all of those universes. He knows our heart and mind. He's forgiving
By the way, this is the way some (not all) aspects of God and heaven or hell or evill is explained in Islam. I find it much more consistent
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Comrade Tassadar
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Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
It depends. That person may acknowledge God publicly, but we don't know the interiror state of the relationship with God. But to answer your question, yes, if they are much closer, and their wants and desires are most pefectly aligned with God's as we have seen in some of the Saints, that is when we will have the most true happiness on Earth. |
Alright....
Athiests, are you miserable?
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