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Sava is offline Sava
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I mean, seriously, why doesn't God just stomp Satan's ass? or maybe God is Satan because jesus commited suicide (technically)
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Hes lazy. Thats why he has us do it.
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Or why did God allow Lucifier's rebellion to occur if he's omniscient?
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Got spare money?

It's all part of the plan. Yah, you're posting here was part of the plan too. What's the plan? God knows...
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because the story works better with a villain.

Don't you read other fiction?

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MRBAGGINS YOU HEATHEN TERRORIST!! GOD IS TRUE THE BIBLE IS TRUTH YER GONNA BURN
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'Cause Satan is so ****ing cool!

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wouldn't it be koo if miroslav satan was on the devils?
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Why doesn't god strike us down when we start doing a bunch of evil actions?

It's a nessecary component of free will to be able to do evil things.
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seriously... how good a story would it be if it was all goodness and light and no villain?

Satan as per hellfire, demons, imps and damnation was invented in the Middle Ages, to act as a fear motivator for the church's benefit.

The story has gone through a number of rewrites... like any script, for example.
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Sava: No such luck though... no such luck.

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Why doesn't god strike us down when we start doing a bunch of evil actions?

It's a nessecary component of free will to be able to do evil things.
but then isn't the whole good vs evil battle really a blowout? I mean, satan can't win...
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Why doesn't god strike us down when we start doing a bunch of evil actions?

It's a nessecary component of free will to be able to do evil things.


And this free will he gave to Adam and Eve?
Then what of those two cities....

Free will my.....
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Why doesn't god strike us down when we start doing a bunch of evil actions?

It's a nessecary component of free will to be able to do evil things.


He didn't have any problem negating the "free will" going on in Sodom and Gommorah... or various other places from time to time.
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but then isn't the whole good vs evil battle really a blowout? I mean, satan can't win...


Well, in terms of overturning the created order and destroying God, he can't win, no. He can however seperate himself from God and his created order and go into the spiritual darkness of Hell, as we have the same choice.
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He didn't have any problem negating the "free will" going on in Sodom and Gommorah... or various other places from time to time.


Don't take the Old Testament literally.
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Well, in terms of overturning the created order and destroying God, he can't win, no. He can however seperate himself from God and his created order and go into the spiritual darkness of Hell, as we have the same choice.
but if god is omniscient, he knew there would be evil... so he knowingly created evil... doesn't that make god evil?
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but if god is omniscient, he knew there would be evil... so he knowingly created evil... doesn't that make god evil?


No. Foreknowledge of an event does not equal foreordination of that event.
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Don't take the Old Testament literally.


Shi, would you mind speaking before a couple of small audiences of conservative Christians?

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but if god is omniscient, he knew there would be evil... so he knowingly created evil... doesn't that make god evil?


Good one.
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No.
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I've liked the New Jersey Devils since they wore the green uniforms. Does that make me a Satanist?

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No. Foreknowledge of an event does not equal foreordination of that event.
uhmmm but if you knowingly do something that you know will be evil, aren't you responsible?
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Shi, would you mind speaking before a couple of small audiences of conservative Christians?


Sure, I argue with my more conservative Catholic brethren all the time.
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I've liked the New Jersey Devils since they wore the green uniforms. Does that make me a Satanist?

jon.
yes because those uniforms are ****ing ugly
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but then isn't the whole good vs evil battle really a blowout? I mean, satan can't win...


Maybe he can .

"I'd rather rule in Hell than serve in Heaven". Satan, the first libertarian

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I don't take the old testament literally. It says there is a God, which I certainly don't take literally.

If you believe in God based on a book, why not believe in the other things based on the same book?
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If God were female the world would be a neater place.
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