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DaShi
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The Taste of Japan
Sep 2000
time: 05:34
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Originally posted by Hurricane
I have a good friend who spent a year in China as an exchange student, and some of her experiences were a bit worrying. The exchange students lived at the same dorm, and there were some Africans in the group, too. This one time they all went out to spend the evening at a bar, followed by the allways present "tutor" (party informer would be a more correct term). At around ten in the evening he told the Africans that they should head home, since they probably soon would get into trouble otherwise.
Another time a Jordanian student got very ill, and several times went to a doctor to get a diagnose and treatment. They gave some aspirin and stuff, and a few days later he died. Death reason, according to the doctors, "Study stress". |
Africans have it tough in China. Oddly, African-Americans don't suffer as much. 
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Comrade Tassadar
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Originally posted by DaShi
With what military? The Japan of today is very different than the Japan of the 1940s. |
Yet it still doesn't recognize the atrocities it commited against Asia?
Those who don't study history are doomed to repeat it.
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Please describe how China is a great modernizing modern nation. I just want to hear your opinions. |
I am economically speaking, of course.
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Comrade Tassadar
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No, because China has more potential.
Perhaps when Japan admits its mistakes, I'll be more apt to liking it.
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Comrade Tassadar
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Originally posted by DaShi
And it doesn't bother you than China is using America as its model in its rise to power. |
How do you mean?
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What about China's mistakes? |
Japan, being a more "modern" nation, has higher expectations in my book.
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shawnmmcc
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UR, I actually gained that from extensive historical reading, though not focused on Asia per se. However, I know enough to seperate the Five Kingdoms (Wudai dynasty) versus the modern period from 1907-1960, for which the term is not universally accepted. Plus reading various sources concerning Confucism and Toaism. The western concept of justice does not at all resemble what has been the norm in China and Japan, the only two coutries in that region whose HISTORICAL judicial system I have read about.
Of course you also have the reporting in the media concerning Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Vietnam, Burma, Camboida, India, Pakistan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, and Sri Lanka. Please note I am talking a consistancy of reporting over the course of two decades in multiple sources ranging from the BBC and the Wall Street Journal to the New York Times.
I may have missed a few countries, but I think that I have a broad enough spectrum to make a couple of observations here. First, the legal systems in those countries is much more about social stability than justice. As what we call corruption is considered normal behavior, and is considered the proper system to reward those who support you in power. Substitute "order and stability" for corruption and you will start to understand where there is a collision of paradigms.
Their system of justice works fairly well for what had been desired. Of course that kind of system stifles innovation and foreign investment, and both with the advent of democracy, guided democracy (UR you do recognize who I am quoting and the appropriateness - if you don't look up some of Putin's recent speaches, it is a very appropriate model fro what exists in say Singapore), and Totalitarian states they are trying something different. The old oligarchal systems consisting of nobility have been swept away, and even the Totalitarian states have been exposed at least to some degree to Marx, who in his defense did push industrialization. Those countries exposed to western democratic concepts are more open to innovation, but are still trying to maintain stability in the wake of rapid change, to a degree the United States hasn't seen for such a very long time, actually it's ancient history - it's called the civil rights movement, and look at how the state courts in the south dealt with that change. 
The Chinese system of extra-legal justice, read here their history of "societies" (I wish I was good with languages but it's one academic area I'm really bad at) has a rich a varied historical record, and "organized crime" is a poor fit, as instead they are fullfilling a need in their society where the legal system left a void. Unfortunately as it attempts to translate itself into the modern world, it essentially becomes a type of organized crime. Please note I am NOT stating that the "society" system was not engaged in criminal activities during it's historical heyday. It's just that there was much more to them than that.
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Comrade Tassadar
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No.
Any superpower that is a superpower will be imperialist. That is a given.
However America, being the sole superpower, has become both too powerful, too arrogant, and too stupid.
It needs a counterbalance to keep it in its place. China is perfect.
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Comrade Tassadar
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But I hold it to higher standards.
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Drake Tungsten
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Knee deep in alien womyn...
Oct 2001
time: 14:34
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This is a bit off-topic, but I've come around on the Japanese "whitewashing" of textbooks issue. I used to condemn them for only providing cursory information on the Nanjing Massacre and other atrocities in China. Now that I actually have Japanese history textbooks at arms length, however, I can't really get too upset about the brief coverage of the IJA's actions in China. Everything in the textbooks gets little to no explanation; it's essentially a picture book with some history related captions. I'd be surprised if Japanese students knew anything about history after studying from these books, let alone knowing detailed information about the horrible actions of their country's army in WWII.
Last edited by Drake Tungsten on 02-03-2004 at 05:08
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mindseye
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A Yankee living in Shanghai
Apr 1999
time: 13:34
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Originally posted by DaShi
This is what he did. He liked a song so he went up to a girl he thought worked there and asked her to turn up the music. She said that she didn't work there and to talk to the bartender. Just as he turned to speak with the bartender, a beer bottle hit the girl and she screamed. Then her boyfriend, who threw the bottle, jumped my friend and started pounding on him. When my friend realized that he was going to stop, he began to fight back to defend himself. At this time, the Chinese who worked in the bar started attacking my friend while another friend and I tried to hold everyone we could back. Finally, we got our friend back to his seat. The attacker ran in the kitchen and came out with a cleaver. My other friend told my friend to run, which he did. |
I knew something smelled fishy about this story. The idea of asking someone at a Chinese bar or restaurant to turn up the music is simply inconceivable.
Seriously, you otta be careful out there in there the countryside. Maybe you should think about a big(ger) city next time? Shanghai is like living in a kindergarten class, crime-wise. Be careful, laowei! Xiao xin!
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