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Ned is offline Ned
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Something big is happening at JPL. There is buzz that they are going to annouce the discovery of life!

http://www.space.com/scienceastrono...nce_040229.html

PASADENA, California -- Evidence that suggests Mars was once a water-rich world is mounting as scientists scrutinize data from the Mars Exploration rover, Opportunity, busily at work in a small crater at Meridiani Planum. That information may well be leading to a biological bombshell of a finding that the red planet has been, and could well be now, an extraterrestrial home for life.

There is a palpable buzz here at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) in Pasadena, California that something wonderful is about to happen in the exploration of Mars.

There is no doubt that the Opportunity Mars rover is relaying a mother lode of geological data. Using an array of tools carried by the golf cart-sized robot -- from spectrometers, a rock grinder, cameras and powerful microscopic imager -- scientists are carefully piecing together a compelling historical portrait of a wet and wild world.

Where Opportunity now roves, some scientists here suggest, could have been underneath a huge ocean or lake. But what has truly been uncovered by the robot at Meridiani Planum is under judicious and tight-lipped review.

Those findings and their implications are headed for a major press conference, rumored to occur early next week -- but given unanimity among rover scientists and agreement on how and who should unveil the dramatic findings. Turns out, even on Mars, a political and ego outcrop hangs over science.

There is speculation that the soil underneath the wheels of both Spirit and Opportunity rovers contains small amounts of water mixed with salt in a brine. That brew of dissolved salts keeps the mixture well below the freezing point of pure water, permitting it to exist in liquid form.

Opportunity has revisited select spots in the outcrop, drawn there, in part, to look for cross-beds -- sedimentary deposits that are formed in beach, river and sand-dune environments. Using its Rock Abrasion Tool (RAT), the rover has carried out several cleaning and grinding sessions on exposed rock outcrop.

Cross-beds are patterns of curving lines or traces found within the strata of sandstone and other sedimentary rocks. Cross-bedding indicates the general direction and force of the wind or water that originally laid down the sediments.

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One scientist eagerly awaiting the news from Mars, particularly from Opportunity, is Gilbert Levin. He is Chairman of the Board and Executive Officer for Science of Spherix Incorporated in Beltsville, Maryland.

Levin is a former Viking Mars lander investigator. He has long argued that his 1976 Viking Labeled Release (LR) life detection experiment found living microorganisms in the soil of Mars.

In 1997, Levin reported that simple laws of physics require water to occur as a liquid on the surface of Mars. Subsequent experiments and research have bolstered this view, he said, and reaffirms his Viking LR data regarding microbial life on Mars.

Levin detailed his Mars views in a SPACE.com phone interview and via email.

"It's hard to image why such bullet-proof evidence was denied for such a long time, and why those so vigorously denying it never did so by meeting the science, but merely by brushing it away," Levin said.

"Of course, now that it must be acknowledged by all that there is liquid water on the surface of Mars," Levin added, "this starts those denying the validity of the Mars LR data down the slippery slope leading to life."

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Oh, no. Best call General McDuck. Tell him the world "knows".
Probably have to kill you all now. Tough luck.

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How exciting.

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That's incredible news.

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Here's another pretty good link. http://www.usatoday.com/news/scienc...s-mission_x.htm

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Big leap of conclusions between the thread title and what's in the article, isn't there? There's nothing in there about them announcing anything about life, merely that there was probably water, which may mean there could have been life. Let's not get ahead of ourselves...

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Let's hope not the life I know from "Mars Attacks"

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Big leap of conclusions between the thread title and what's in the article, isn't there?


In traditional Ned fashion, mind .

I read the article and was like, this saying nothing about life on Mars.

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hmmm i didnt see ahything about there being life on mars. i'd have to say this goes along with ned saying hes for liberty.

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If they found liquid water or whatever, that would be interesting.

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Looks like this will be a Washington news conference (the first one of the missions), with the top geologist on the program traveling from California to Washington in order to take part. Could be big news.

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There's life on Mars - and they have weapons of mass destruction. Quick! We need a Mars mission to stop the evil doers - and bring them the word of Jeebus!

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I think you guys failed to read the tail end of the article and the link provide to the conclusions drawn from the 1976 Viking experiment that did show life, but was poo-pooed at the time for a number of "reasons" which over time have been shown to be false assumptions.

NASA may indeed be ready to reverse itself on a host of issues, including revisiting its conclusion concerning the Viking experiment that showed life.

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I think you guys failed to read the tail end of the article and the link provide to the conclusions drawn from the 1976 Viking experiment that did show life, but was poo-pooed at the time for a number of "reasons" which over time have been shown to be false assumptions.

NASA may indeed be ready to reverse itself on a host of issues, including revisiting its conclusion concerning the Viking experiment that showed life.


Nothing in that tail of the article remotely said that NASA was going to announce life on Mars, as your thread title concretely says. Levin's conclusions are still highly debatable, and the information coming out doesn't necessarily mean his assertion of microbial life being found will be proven true. Again, water on Mars doesn't require there to be life on Mars.

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Life, water or both. It's all interesting ... and if so, front page news.

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I was checking the Rovers site. They have no instruments on board to directly check for life. All they need is to verify that there is surface water NOW. One they have that, the 1976 experiment might be validated.

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Well, here's hoping they do announce life (past or present) on Mars

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this thread calls for an excessive and utterly tasteless use of exlcamation points;

Damn you Ned that said nothing about life on Mars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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however the prospect of water in liquid form is exciting

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I was checking the Rovers site. They have no instruments on board to directly check for life. All they need is to verify that there is surface water NOW. One they have that, the 1976 experiment might be validated.


Difficulty,
as no Experiment provided clear proof.
Some Experiments showed a positive result, others a negative Result (AFAIR it was the Experiment with the radioactively labeled nutrients which clearly showed that there was something in one of the samples of martian soil which converted them into other compunds [and which wasn´t present anymore after heating of the sanple]).

I think even if there is a proof of water it would just change the Status of the Viking Experiments from a "no Proof of Life" into a "Might be Proof of Life" as all successful experiments could also be explained with chemical causes (in this case with the work of Enzymes which could have been in the soil).
But it might be a good incentive to build a new set of Probes with Experiments to check for Life on Mars (maybe of course somehow more sophisticated than the old Viking Probes )

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Proteus, well if they find surface water, the articles suggest that life is almost a certainty even if it came from earth.

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this thread calls for an excessive and utterly tasteless use of exlcamation points;

Damn you Ned that said nothing about life on Mars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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however the prospect of water in liquid form is exciting


Hey Space, yes it did. Check out the link to the discussion of the 1976 Viking lander that did detect life in one experiment. Apparently NASA did not find this experiment conclusive based on its assumption that the same results could have been produced by an oxidant in the soil.

But, if the current landers do not find any such oxidants, but instead find water...

Here is the link to the "life on Mars" article linked by the referenced article.

http://www.space.com/news/spacehist...e_010728-1.html

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We get to finally meet our Martian overlords!

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They found life but they won't announce it because the life forms are gay.

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Bah.

After this thread title, even an announcement about water in the soil doesnt seem to be exciting. :/

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If there is life, probably bacteria, (vira is not technically life, but need a host), then the people who eventually go there can't come back. Quarantine restrictions must apply.

So finding life on Mars is not good news in my opinion.

Even sending back detailed analysis of the life found, might infect the recievers on earth with a computer virus.

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Even sending back detailed analysis of the life found, might infect the recievers on earth with a computer virus.


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If there is life, probably bacteria, (vira is not technically life, but need a host), then the people who eventually go there can't come back. Quarantine restrictions must apply.

So finding life on Mars is not good news in my opinion.



Never thought of this. Can this be true?

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Never thought of this. Can this be true?


I don¨t know. If you were minister of health, would you allow an astronaut who had been exposed to alien bacteria to mingle with people on Earth?

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Never thought of this. Can this be true?


Don´t think so.
It would mean that special measures have to be taken,
for example bringing the Astronauts into a sealed Environment upon Landing (directly from the Landing Capsule, without any Exposure to fresh air) a letting them stay there under medical examination for some time.
But AFAIK most of them are measures which were also in Effect at the Beginning of Spacetravel (Apollo-Program and the like) as they already feared that the Astronauts could bring some Bacteriae from Moon to Earth..

But aside from this I doubt that any special measures would have to be taken.
But special Quarantine measures should also be taken to sterilize any probes which are sent to Mars, as Microorganisms from Earth could as well pollute Mars.

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I don¨t know. If you were minister of health, would you allow an astronaut who had been exposed to alien bacteria to mingle with people on Earth?


Only after he'd got in the decontamination room and rubbed grease all over T'Pol

 
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