04-03-2004 23:24									#61
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quote: rattay is the qb of the future. if he doesn't pan out u seek free agency. u can't keep throwing lotto balls at the qb position dawg.

Rattay isn't proven enough for me. I say when a future star lands in your lap, you take him. I wouldn't balk at a future MVP when the starter at the position isn't that impressive.

	04-03-2004 23:25									#62
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quote: Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe Funny they got rid of Portis cause they thought he wasn't durable. That was the same knock on Garner at Philly and now he's 32 to boot.

garner won't cost the same. basically the knock on clinton's duability is two fold and involves his price as well. realize that clinton portis didn't have ankle injuries and stuff that u might asess to simply falling the wrong way. the guy had what? shoulder and chest injuries? the dude just got HIT REAL HARD and hurt. and I think that can cause a little bit of fear. cuz afterall he's 22, he should be a near rubberband when it comes to simply getting hit.

	04-03-2004 23:26									#63
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: rattay is the qb of the future. if he doesn't pan out u seek free agency. u can't keep throwing lotto balls at the qb position dawg. Rattay isn't proven enough for me. I say when a future star lands in your lap, you take him. I wouldn't balk at a future MVP when the starter at the position isn't that impressive.

rivers is definitely less proven than rattay. and if everyone thot rivers was a future mvp there is no way that the niners could draft him. so obviously u think highly of rivers.

	04-03-2004 23:31									#64
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Yeah, I do... because he's shown at NC State how good he is. I think he'll easily be the best QB of this draft, but people are impressed with 'tools' too much.

The only snag would be if Pittsburgh takes Rivers at 11 (or 12, I forget).

	05-03-2004 01:09									#65
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The Rams seem to be trying to keep the same team as last year. Except for Sehorn who missed the last tackle in the game against Carolina. Good riddens to him.

They tagged O. Pace and signed Timmerman (I actually think they should work at getting better inside OL).

Bulger is a restricted free agent. I think Martz will try to keep Bulger and Warner. Warner will probably play more next year though, unless he fumbles 6 times on his first game again.

	05-03-2004 01:20									#66
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Ravens just got Terrel Owens for 2nd round pick

	05-03-2004 01:21									#67
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bfg,

Your close enough to go and boo him.

	05-03-2004 01:23									#68
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quote: Originally posted by bfg9000 Ravens just got Terrel Owens for 2nd round pick

SF should be happy to get a 2nd round pick for him. I thought they would get a third round.

	05-03-2004 01:24									#69
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Good Ridence, I would of taken a 5th round pick and a punter.

	05-03-2004 01:25									#70
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Interesting, now the Ravens don't have any picks in the first two rounds of the draft.

	05-03-2004 01:32									#71
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quote: Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe bfg, Your close enough to go and boo him.

Can't do that yet... If Eagles don't win NFC title this year, I'm tossing them aside and adopting Baltimore as my team..

	05-03-2004 01:35									#72
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quote: Portis rushed for 1,591 yards and caught 38 passes for 314 yards last season. During his rookie season in 2002, Portis rushed for 1,508 yards and caught 33 passes for 364 yards.

I'm surprized I never heard of him before. But damn, those are some nice numbers. I gladly welcome him to DC. Plus he's young, so that's many years of productive running for the 'skins.

Assuming you guys who say he is injury prone are crazy.

	05-03-2004 01:37									#73
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quote: Originally posted by bfg9000 Can't do that yet... If Eagles don't win NFC title this year, I'm tossing them aside and adopting Baltimore as my team..

Yeah, yeah, heard it a thousand times before. We Eagles fans are to football what Red Socks fans are to baseball. Eternally dissappointed yet loyal.

We'll be back and b!tching next year same as the year before.

	05-03-2004 01:38									#74
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I got more information on the Rams QB situation.

Bulger is a restricted agent, but he has been offered $1.8M after his Pro Bowl performance. If he is picked up by another team the Rams will get a 1st and a 3rd round pick for him.

Warner was given a roster bonus to prevent him from becoming a free agent.

	05-03-2004 01:49									#75
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Maybe Kordell Stewart would be interested in doing his Slash thing from his Colorado days and be our WR/ 3rd-string QB....

Last I heard some CFL team was trying to sign him...


I'm not worried about our WR situation, though. This draft is deep at WR and we'll find a way to get a couple of top-notch WR through the draft...

	05-03-2004 11:59									#76
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Did anyone hear of the NFL thinking about changing monday night football to thursday night? And moving sunday games 1 hour later?

I heard about this on my local sports talk radio one day, but checking the website I could find no mention of it.

Anyways. Keyshon to Dallas, and T.O. to Baltimore.

No biggie, I can care less about either team.

Although I still think Dallas needs a running back over a WR. Sure Hambrick is pretty good, but he isn't a serious power running back.

	05-03-2004 12:09									#77
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quote: I'm surprized I never heard of him before.

So am I... which is why I wondered how often you followed the sport .

You know about Tomlinson and Jamal Lewis, right?

	05-03-2004 12:10									#78
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quote: Did anyone hear of the NFL thinking about changing monday night football to thursday night? And moving sunday games 1 hour later?

I would prefer this as I'd get to see more game time

	05-03-2004 12:24									#79
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screw that.

And moving the sunday games 1 hour later would merge the afternoon game into the sunday night game. They would overlap often. And no time for ESPN to air NFL primetime inbetween. I love watching NFL primetime before the sunday night game.

	05-03-2004 18:53									#80
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T.O to the Ravens!!!
At this point the Ravens become scaaary

	05-03-2004 18:57									#81
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The Eagles had cut a deal with Owens for a new contract and conacted the 49ers when ready. The niners had told them that the deal would be done if the could come to terms with TO and then went ahead and traded him to the Ravens without even contacting the birds. So not only did the birds get screwed out of TO, but they also used all the time on negotiating with To when they could have been using it addressing needs elsewhere.

http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sp...nfl/8110585.htm

	05-03-2004 19:14									#82
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John Tait, KC OT reportedly in Chicago today, will get an offer. (He's restricted, but KC doesn't have much cap room.)
Would fill a HUGE need, since it's looking like Colombo still not ready to return.

Oh, and the Rams lost Grant Wistrum -- signed with Seattle.

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quote: Originally posted by -Jrabbit John Tait, KC OT reportedly in Chicago today, will get an offer. (He's restricted, but KC doesn't have much cap room.) Would fill a HUGE need, since it's looking like Colombo still not ready to return.

It's rumored in Philly that we are discussing with Bears to send you OT Tra Thomas for a swap of 1st round picks..

	05-03-2004 20:28									#84
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Interesting. Hadn't heard that one here in Chi.

BTW, the Lions have signed Center Damien Woody.

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quote: Originally posted by bfg9000 It's rumored in Philly that we are discussing with Bears to send you OT Tra Thomas for a swap of 1st round picks..

BFG without my regular dose of WIP, whats the feeling of this move in Philly? My gut says this is a bad move. Tra Thomas is a decent OT and worthy of more than a move up in the draft.

Even if they need to fill holes at WR seems dealing Tra is questionable.

	05-03-2004 20:40									#86
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haha supposedly TO really wanted to goto the eagles. worked out his own trade and everything, then the niners dumped him off on the ravens and TO went berserk.

the niners said they'd rather have him in the afc. but TO promises to fight the trade w/ every dying breath he has. good stuff. I guess TO is going insane as we speak that he isn't going to land with the team he thought he should be able to goto.

the ravens have their hands full.

	05-03-2004 20:40									#87
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That would move them up from 28 to the 14 spot. That's actually a pretty big move up the board...

This draft is so heavy with great WRs, I'd suspect they wanted something else.

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quote: So am I... which is why I wondered how often you followed the sport . You know about Tomlinson and Jamal Lewis, right?

Not close enough obviously. I know Lewis, but I never heard of Tomlinson.

	05-03-2004 20:57									#89
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quote: Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe BFG without my regular dose of WIP, whats the feeling of this move in Philly? My gut says this is a bad move. Tra Thomas is a decent OT and worthy of more than a move up in the draft. Even if they need to fill holes at WR seems dealing Tra is questionable.

The feeling in Philly is lukewarm. The failure to sign TO makes drafting a WR more urgent, however subtracting Tra Thomas leaves a void on the O-line that we may not be able to fill. If we move up to the Bears pick @ 14, we are sure to get an impact WR. We'd then have to go for an OT in the 2nd round.

Problem with the Eagles is: They have an O-Line that excels at run-blocking, a backfield with excellent talent, and the most mobile QB in the league and Andy Reid wants to throw the ball 3/4 of the time to a below average WR corps with an O-line that is below average at pass-blocking and a QB with suspect pocket- passer skills.

I say we should keep Tra and change the offense to put more emphasis on the running game scrap the short passing game - essentially scrap the whole West Coast offense approach altogether...

	05-03-2004 21:26									#90
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Seems not much has changed in the 2 years I've been away. West coast implementation without the proper pieces.

D and McNabb scrambling is producing the results. Hmmmm.... D and Cunningham scrambling produced results but couldn't get Buddy Ryan over the top either.

The more things change the more things stay the same.

By the by, I agree dealing Tra has more downside to me than upside.