07-03-2004 17:00									#151
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(and yes, Oncle Boris, please feel free to do the DL dance....again )

	07-03-2004 18:04									#152
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quote: Originally posted by Elok In which case "to be" can be considered both transitive and intransitive, and may or may not require an object as communicative necessities dictate.

I'll say again, what you are adding is not an object, but a subject complement to fill in the blank. I am {blank}.

A subject complement, be it a noun or adjective, follows a linking verb and modifies or refers to the subject. No objects are involved in the sentence.

	07-03-2004 18:15									#153
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quote: Originally posted by Oncle Boris I've been here for three months only. I've not had the time to impose my name. And BTW, the competition for the left-wing is much coarser. You've got a much easier game going on.

Everyone knows who you are. Everyone knows who's won your debates with Imran.

	07-03-2004 18:17									#154
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quote: Originally posted by monkspider Asher wouldn't be a bad debater if he didn't let his loyalties blind his judgement so dramatically. He does posess a respectable level of knowledge regarding Technology. But he is just so devoted to proving every last aspect of anything Microsoft (or Intel) does to be right, and every last thing that Apple or Linux does to be wrong, that it is hard to take him seriously. This causes him to take often very illogical positions in a debate. In fact, it has gotten so bad that I have learned to view the truth as the opposite of whatever Asher says regarding most computer matters. It's a shame really, because I suspect that he would have a lot of good things to say if he just learned to see things more clearly and not view every debate as a chance to try to prove his preconceived notions.

It seems you're the one who's been blinded...

	07-03-2004 19:11									#155
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Tactical voting here

Doc Strangelove
Adam Smith (very parsimonius with his skills)
Sikander (heck, he likes going after me
)

Anyway, hey loin..you very very good in that heated debate we had about natural rights and the nature of murder- but since I haven't seen you get into any serious debates in a long time...

	07-03-2004 19:13									#156
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Anyway, hey loin..you very very good in that heated debate we had about natural rights and the nature of murder- but since I haven't seen you get into any serious debates in a long time...

loin, I, and a couple of others had a long running debate against Creationism. Those were the days.

	07-03-2004 19:23									#157
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Proof that UR is a bully who picks on people who can't adequately defend themsleves.

	07-03-2004 19:26									#158
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quote: Originally posted by Big Crunch Proof that UR is a bully who picks on people who can't adequately defend themsleves.

Fear me!

	07-03-2004 20:18									#159
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Wouldn't it be a good idea to have an update in the first post on the nominations so far? The "update" that is currently there is from a couple of hours after the thread was started and it's kind of misleading. For instance, Sikander has been nominated at least 4 times, not just once, he must be in the top running now.

	07-03-2004 20:36									#160
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Anyway, hey loin..you very very good in that heated debate we had about natural rights and the nature of murder- but since I haven't seen you get into any serious debates in a long time...

Yeah, I've been busy with my thesis. I've got enough time to be a dickweed, but not enough time to debate. And, since Poly frowns upon the former activity (at least in the case of irreverently inane dickweeds, which is the only kind I know how to be), I've had to find supplemental forums on which to get myself warned/banned.

quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger loin, I, and a couple of others had a long running debate against Creationism. Those were the days.

Speaking of which, I haven't seen Lincoln post very much in awhile, either. Once in a blue moon, if that often.

	07-03-2004 22:18									#161
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Agathon gets DESTROYED by Asher in every technical debate Asher has the distinction of actually knowing what the hell he is talking about

He certainly does not. In this case it's clear he doesn't know what he's talking about, even when presented with plain facts.

Shows how dopey you are Ted - not that anyone was in doubt.

	07-03-2004 23:24									#162
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Agathon, 95% of people who read the Asher vs Agathon technical debates come away knowing Asher won.

	07-03-2004 23:45									#163
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95% use windows too...

And the figure is a bit high anyway IMHO.

	07-03-2004 23:59									#164
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quote: Originally posted by Big Crunch I'll say again, what you are adding is not an object, but a subject complement to fill in the blank. I am {blank}. A subject complement, be it a noun or adjective, follows a linking verb and modifies or refers to the subject. No objects are involved in the sentence.

So, in the phrase, "you make me happy," is "happy" the direct object, and "me" the indirect object? If not, why? It is my impression that adjectives and nouns ALWAYS perform different functions. If it's an adjective, it can be taken as implied that you are saying, "You make me a happy person," and not identifying your sudden transformation into an abstract descriptive concept. Much as "come here" implies "you come here," rather than inviting the assumption that you're grunting sentence fragments for fun.

At least over here it's that way. I don't know about non-American grammar. Before I came to this board I had never even heard of "subject complements."

	08-03-2004 00:05									#165
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JohnT, Berzerker, and Fez/Giancarlo

	08-03-2004 00:10									#166
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[QUOTE] Originally posted by Elok


So, in the phrase, "you make me happy," is "happy" the direct object, and "me" the indirect object? If not, why?
[quote]

"happy" is the object complement to the object "me".

	08-03-2004 00:13									#167
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An object is always a noun or pronoun. "Happy" is neither.

	08-03-2004 00:14									#168
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You guys are trying too hard.

	08-03-2004 00:14									#169
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Okay, Aussie grammar's weird. We might have to invade you just to simplify things.

	08-03-2004 00:15									#170
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X-post

	08-03-2004 00:15									#171
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Gah! X-post again!

	08-03-2004 00:35									#172
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Huh, you x-posted with yourself??

	08-03-2004 00:38									#173
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My "X-post" post was an X-post. I cross posted with Loinburger then Elok cross posted with me when I posted "X-post".

	08-03-2004 00:44									#174
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I'll be updating the vote count tonight, I'm busy right now.

Keep up with the nominations.

And Skywalker, I don't recall seeing you in a SERIOUS debate with me and Imran. Maybe a little thread history is needed for you?

Verres--

	08-03-2004 01:25									#175
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quote: David Floyd While I like Wraith's pithy responses, he just doesn't debate people here any more and David does and I haven't seen him lose a debate and I count myself among the vanquished.

If you mean Wraith hasn't lost a debate, I'd be inclined to agree with you (in that you haven't seen it- I beg to differ ) but afa DF goes, I don't recall ever seeing him 'win' one.

quote: loin, I, and a couple of others had a long running debate against Creationism. Those were the days.

And I'm just as glad those days are gone. Not that it's not fun to shoot fish in a barrel from time to time, but it gets kinda old.

	08-03-2004 01:26									#176
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quote: Originally posted by Oncle Boris I'll be updating the vote count tonight, I'm busy right now. Keep up with the nominations. And Skywalker, I don't recall seeing you in a SERIOUS debate with me and Imran. Maybe a little thread history is needed for you?

I've mostly watched your debates with Imran. I felt no need to enter.

	08-03-2004 01:55									#177
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon He certainly does not. In this case it's clear he doesn't know what he's talking about, even when presented with plain facts.

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I would say just the opposite.

Asher is an expert in the technical area.

Your knowledge in the subject is poor.

You just like to hear yourself talk alot.

	08-03-2004 02:05									#178
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Spiffor

	08-03-2004 02:12									#179
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quote: As far as a right-winger can be a good debater

Well if you think right-wingers can't be good debaters, then we must be doing something correctly .

quote: "Might makes right" would be sufficient reason for me to vote against Imran.

This isn't the who agrees with you awards .

quote: Immy woulda made it; alas he's a lawyer and I've been getting in too many fistfights with their kind lately. F*ing Crown prosecutors and their $149 "suits"

Potential lawyer . Just f'em up, Big Z!

quote: Agathon gets DESTROYED by Asher in every technical debate

Yep... they destroy the other in their relative area of expertise.

	08-03-2004 02:15									#180
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Btw, can we not have debates in the best debater thread... it's like fighting in the war room.. can't have it .

Anyway, I have to vote

Spiffor
Adam Smith
MtG

I don't know if I'd even put myself in my top 5 or even 10.