08-03-2004 13:58									#241
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quote: Originally posted by Asher The difference between a technician and an engineer is a technician is trained in low-level tasks and mostly as someone who fixes things or sets things up. An engineer is the person who designs such things.

That good that you understand the difference.

Have you designed and built anything? Putting together Wintel boxes doesn't count, that's more of an assembly job than anything else.

	08-03-2004 14:02									#242
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger That good that you understand the difference. Have you designed and built anything? Putting together Wintel boxes doesn't count, that's more of an assembly job than anything else.

Yeah, many things.
In the summer I was the sole designer/software engineer for a small business who wanted to automate most of the administrative aspects of the business. It keeps track of customers, models, workorders, etc. It also has a Wizard where the user types in a bunch of measurements, with the type of stair he wants, and it'll generate cutting lists, material usage reports, etc.

Then in school we've done car rental management software, pay-at-the-pump gas systems, algorithmic music-genre classification, basic operating system (interrupt handling, driver development, basic multi-tasking, I/O, GUI), ADC, DSP, and DAC drivers, etc.

For hardware I've designed a VERY basic arithmetic engine in hardware (I refuse to call it a CPU...) and a DSP.

	08-03-2004 14:39									#243
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ooh, computer prowess penis comparison.

	08-03-2004 18:02									#244
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It's simply impossible to narrow it down to even three. There are far too many great debaters, with different strengths and styles.

Thus, I am left with no way to register my frustration but to vote:

(1) Ned
(2) Ned
(3) Ned

The best debater ... in the entire Nedaverse!

I am assuming that I can give all three votes to one person, right?

	08-03-2004 18:16									#245
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Ted Striker
GePap
Drogue

I'm not sure that I should be in contention here because I cheat.


I use real facts.

	08-03-2004 19:08									#246
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove I'm not sure that I should be in contention here because I cheat. I use real facts.

HAVE YOU NO SHAME!

	08-03-2004 21:53									#247
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker These are the worst kinds of debates. Philosophical clan wars. Too categorical. Too "sophomore in college getting first taste of independence and smoked too much before coming to class and is starting to reshape world view based on limited amount of new knowledge" annoying.

Yeah, I SPECIFY that I am not Hobbesian, and that makes the debate 'CATEGORICAL'?

When you have a debate about rights of nature, you will almost certainly, in some way, be referencing Hobbes.

I also defy you to point out where it is that we pretended to change the world on the basis of a few chapters in some book.

Then again, I might say that you are an old bastard, who can't get a screw with any half-decent woman, and whose topic of interest is how familial subsidies will affect payment on your wife's car- but wouldn't that be too sophistic for you?

	08-03-2004 22:39									#248
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This is why I love threads like this one. It's a superhighway to little squabbles. Just watch the wounded egos circling.

	08-03-2004 22:46									#249
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quote: Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp This is why I love threads like this one. It's a superhighway to little squabbles. Just watch the wounded egos circling.

Yup, the Jaws theme just rings in my head as I see you post....

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Trolling or Chumming?

	08-03-2004 23:02									#251
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quote: Originally posted by mindseye It's simply impossible to narrow it down to even three. There are far too many great debaters, with different strengths and styles. Thus, I am left with no way to register my frustration but to vote: (1) Ned (2) Ned (3) Ned The best debater ... in the entire Nedaverse! I am assuming that I can give all three votes to one person, right?

Mindseye, I really don't know what to say.

	08-03-2004 23:06									#252
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Mindseye, I really don't know what to say.

I love Kerry ?

	08-03-2004 23:32									#253
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Another circle-jerk popularity thread in the OT forum.

If you want to find the best debater, set up a topic and have people debate and let everyone vote on the winner. If you want a popularity contest, you set up a thread like this...

	08-03-2004 23:40									#254
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quote: Originally posted by bfg9000 Another circle-jerk popularity thread in the OT forum. If you want to find the best debater, set up a topic and have people debate and let everyone vote on the winner. If you want a popularity contest, you set up a thread like this...

How do you chose the participants?

	08-03-2004 23:41									#255
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quote: I haven't

Don't you have a wife? In that case you've lost many debates in your lifetime .

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What's wrong with circle-jerking anyway? ... er, I mean

	08-03-2004 23:43									#257
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Are people taking this award and voting seriously?

Give my other two nominations to Ned and Fez.

	08-03-2004 23:48									#258
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quote: Originally posted by alva I love Kerry ?

When he says he was wrong about his antiwar activities in 70-71, perhaps.

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(to be retracted if anyone votes for me)

	08-03-2004 23:58									#260
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quote: Too "sophomore in college getting first taste of independence and smoked too much before coming to class and is starting to reshape world view based on limited amount of new knowledge" annoying.

MtG
Real Boris
Spiffor

The third spot was a tossup between Spiff, GePap, Sikander, DanS, and others I couldn't be arsed to really think about.

Honorable mentions:

Che: smart, vaguely reasonable commie.

DinoDoc: manages selective quibbling without actually being drawn into the debate. He's found his niche, it seems.

Ben Kenobi: holds christian fundy views that are difficult to defend, especially here at 'poly, yet most of the time manages to be worthy of reply, and does so without flaming and such. This sets him apart from other fundy posters we've had.

Oerdin: US military psyops meets Apolyton. Manages not to be widely hated, so he's doing something right.

Ok, enough.

-Arrian

	09-03-2004 02:30									#261
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel ooh, computer prowess penis comparison.

Yah.

When it's more concsiely summed up by saying:

'gay computer geek worried over his floppy'.

	09-03-2004 02:40									#262
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quote: Originally posted by bfg9000 Another circle-jerk popularity thread in the OT forum. If you want to find the best debater, set up a topic and have people debate and let everyone vote on the winner. If you want a popularity contest, you set up a thread like this...

OK - Gay marriage.

@ Molly

	09-03-2004 02:41									#263
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quote: Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp This is why I love threads like this one. It's a superhighway to little squabbles. Just watch the wounded egos circling.

I don't take it much seriously. It's mainly a popularity contest, with few serious considerations as a bonus.

	09-03-2004 05:17									#264
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quote: Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp This is why I love threads like this one. It's a superhighway to little squabbles. Just watch the wounded egos circling.

You didn't get mentioned? There, there.

	09-03-2004 05:44									#266
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MtG ain't my fav, he's a mod fer chrissakes...

	09-03-2004 05:48									#267
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MtG ain't a good debater anyway. His response ALWAYS begin with "I am an expert in this field so I am right and you wrong"

I think he is good to have on your side in a debate, but a good debater is someone who can either make you think about your stance or prove you wrong... Ned, Che, and Sava are my nominations, even though I never agree with Che, rarely agree with Sava, and almost always agree with Ned.

	09-03-2004 05:52									#268
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quote: Originally posted by Japher MtG ain't a good debater anyway. His response ALWAYS begin with "I am an expert in this field so I am right and you wrong"

He usually backs up what he says if called out, so by proving himself right= proving you wrong then I think that counts.

OTOH, once he starts the debates usually don't get past a couple more posts (unless the other poster is in denial), just a quick pwning.

	09-03-2004 05:56									#269
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quote: (unless the other poster is in denial)

I can think of several posters this happens to quite often

	09-03-2004 05:59									#270
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I was gonna name names, but my list got too long.