08-03-2004 02:21									#181
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Btw, can we not have debates in the best debater thread... it's like fighting in the war room.. can't have it .

Which of course never happens... with multiple people engaged in planning and all...

MtG
che
Diodorus Sicilius

	08-03-2004 02:26									#182
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I second or third or whatever the notion that there are many many good debaters here on Apolyton. I would judge a good debater as one who actually listens to the arguments of the other and provides a cogent rejoinder or a concession where appropriate. People who never concede a point or that simply leave a thread if they are defeated in an argument lose my respect. Che would have made the top of my list but for the fact that he never, ever agrees with his opponent on even the smallest point. Ditto, Imran.

I apologize if I omit somebody in the following list that I really respect, but my list must include

Spiffor
Whaleboy
Sikander


Honorable mention:

Michael the Great
Molly
Ming
Siro
Ben

	08-03-2004 02:27									#183
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Has Ming or MtG ever conceded a point from the other side?

	08-03-2004 02:30									#184
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They don't have to, for multiple reasons

	08-03-2004 02:33									#185
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Theben, there should be a rule against voting for your brother .

	08-03-2004 02:45									#186
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Boris Godunov
GePap
Chegitz Guevara

	08-03-2004 02:51									#187
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Theben, there should be a rule against voting for your brother .

Why? Because this award actually has some meaning?

	08-03-2004 02:52									#188
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui I don't know if I'd even put myself in my top 5 or even 10.

For some reason you reminded me of Sir Humphrey Appleby and false modesty.

	08-03-2004 02:56									#189
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False modesty is the best kind!

Btw, who's Appleby?

	08-03-2004 03:28									#190
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker ' I would say just the opposite. Asher is an expert in the technical area.

I don't dispute that. It's just that he has a problem with relating it to the real world. His "evidence" doesn't come close to supporting the conclusions he draws from it. The itunes thread is a(nother) blatant example. I challenge anyone to support his ridiculous viewpoint - it's at odds with the facts.

In summary it's very easy to beat up on him effectively without having any specialist technical knowledge. Drake is also quite good at this, when he can be bothered.

	08-03-2004 03:28									#191
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Appleby was the machiavellian Permanent Secretary in a comedy series from the early 80s called "Yes, (Prime) Minister". He was played by Nigel Hawthorne.

Great series if you ever get a chance to see it.

	08-03-2004 03:33									#192
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon I don't dispute that. It's just that he has a problem with relating it to the real world. His "evidence" doesn't come close to supporting the conclusions he draws from it. The itunes thread is a(nother) blatant example. I challenge anyone to support his ridiculous viewpoint - it's at odds with the facts. In summary it's very easy to beat up on him effectively without having any specialist technical knowledge. Drake is also quite good at this, when he can be bothered.

Dude, you were completely and totally owned. Get over it.

Everyone sees it but you and your cronies.

	08-03-2004 03:37									#193
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quote: I challenge anyone to support his ridiculous viewpoint

I thought I made that clear in the thread?

	08-03-2004 03:37									#194
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon I don't dispute that. It's just that he has a problem with relating it to the real world.

I'd say just the opposite.

He has an understanding of what the common user wants and needs more than anybody around here. Everyone else has this, "I use platform so and so, so my method must be the best and everyone else sucks," type of mentality.

	08-03-2004 03:38									#195
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quote: Appleby was the machiavellian Permanent Secretary in a comedy series from the early 80s called "Yes, (Prime) Minister". He was played by Nigel Hawthorne. Great series if you ever get a chance to see it.

Thanks .

Heard of the show, never saw it though. Hopefully BBC America plays some repeats of it one day .

	08-03-2004 03:56									#196
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Theben -

quote: If you mean Wraith hasn't lost a debate, I'd be inclined to agree with you (in that you haven't seen it- I beg to differ ) but afa DF goes, I don't recall ever seeing him 'win' one.

I've never seen DF lose a debate and that includes the one time he and I were debating the validity of Gulf War II... Maybe DF knows of a debate he feels he lost, but I don't and I see no proof from you.

	08-03-2004 04:25									#197
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Everybody has lost a debate and that includes MTG

	08-03-2004 04:26									#198
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David loses a debate the moment he opens his mouth.

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quote: Originally posted by Asher Dude, you were completely and totally owned. Get over it. Everyone sees it but you and your cronies.

Calm down. We don't want to see a gang war between a university philosophy department and the Bill Gates fan club. Actually, yes, we do, 'cause that sounds pretty funny, but give us time to organize, sell tickets, and so on. Be sure to hit each other over the head with ergonomic chairs. And lots of COBOL trash talk. Be sure to taunt Agathon by saying you slept with his woman too; it's hard to guess whether he'd laugh, get angry, or just look confused.

	08-03-2004 06:49									#200
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Ahh, finally have a 3rd vote: Doc Strangelove. Have read quite a few of his posts and he always seems to be respectful yet knowledgeable.

Therefore my three are:
Spiffor
Jaguar Warrior
Doc Strangelove

	08-03-2004 07:01									#201
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quote: Drake is also quite good at this, when he can be bothered.

Thankfully, instances where I can be bothered to debate are becoming more and more infrequent. Poly is a lot more enlightening when you stop assigning any value to debates and the people who engage in them.

	08-03-2004 07:57									#202
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True

Some people assign way to much value to themselves

*cough* Agathon *cough*

	08-03-2004 08:23									#203
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui I don't know if I'd even put myself in my top 5 or even 10.

Funny. I know I wouldn't.

	08-03-2004 08:30									#204
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And we've all established that your opinion means little .

	08-03-2004 08:34									#205
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui And we've all established that your opinion means little .

Cat fight!


Jelly wrestling!!!!


Hairpulling and shinkicking!!!!!

	08-03-2004 08:37									#206
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Well, jelly wrestling would be my favorite. As long as it well flavored. Can't have just plan gelatin or anything!

	08-03-2004 08:41									#207
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Well, jelly wrestling would be my favorite. As long as it well flavored. Can't have just plan gelatin or anything!

I'd use seaweed derived jelly- allows good Muslims, Jews and vegans/vegetarians to partake.


Flavoured with attar of roses, jasmine flowers, orange blossom water and a dash of pomegranate juice.

Strip down and get catty, contestants!

	08-03-2004 08:46									#208
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quote: allows good Muslims, Jews and vegans/vegetarians to partake.

**** 'em ... we want animal fat in that jelly, damn it!

	08-03-2004 08:49									#209
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quote: Originally posted by Big Crunch Appleby was the machiavellian Permanent Secretary in a comedy series from the early 80s called "Yes, (Prime) Minister". He was played by Nigel Hawthorne. Great series if you ever get a chance to see it.

It's been rereleased on DVD actually. Sir Humphrey is also one of the reasons I'd like to be a civil servant. Ahhh, to annoy those silly elected people...

	08-03-2004 08:54									#210
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Everybody has lost a debate and that includes MTG

I haven't