23-03-2004 19:51									#421
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ninjas are retarded

	23-03-2004 20:02									#422
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You just made the list, buddy.

	23-03-2004 20:07									#423
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Boht ninjas AND samurai are stupid-heck, the Japanese had to ban guns simply to keep these guys around-any warrior class that can only survive by passing laws against technological innovation is CRAP.

The Samurai got pwned by peons with guns!

	23-03-2004 20:16									#424
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I know you're trolling, but even trolls should have some measure of historical accuracy.

	23-03-2004 20:29									#425
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	23-03-2004 20:48									#426
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten I know you're trolling, but even trolls should have some measure of historical accuracy.

It's a simple summary, but where is the inaccuracy?

	23-03-2004 20:50									#427
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quote: Originally posted by ColdWizard * ColdWizard randomly pokes Shop patrons

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	23-03-2004 21:03									#428
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quote: It's a simple summary, but where is the inaccuracy?

The Japanese never banned guns or made laws against technological innovation and samurai were hardly owned by foot soldiers with guns. That pretty much makes his whole point historically incorrect, no?

	23-03-2004 21:09									#429
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need more beer

	23-03-2004 21:16									#430
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten The Japanese never banned guns or made laws against technological innovation and samurai were hardly owned by foot soldiers with guns. That pretty much makes his whole point historically incorrect, no?

So where did all the peons with guns go? Vanished into thin air? Maybe the y drank DDs beer and collapsed vomiting? Did Robo-simmons kill them?

	23-03-2004 21:30									#431
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*cg peers . o 0 (That sounds suspiciously like a real discussion.)

"Take it outside!@#$$%@#"

*cg whacks Drake and GePap with a rubber platypus!

	23-03-2004 21:32									#432
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what ... who... where...

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	23-03-2004 21:39									#433
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quote: So where did all the peons with guns go? Vanished into thin air?

Back to their farms. No place for them in a peaceful era with rigid class distinctions between warriors and other members of society.

	23-03-2004 21:40									#434
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten Back to their farms. No place for them in a peaceful era with rigid class distinctions between warriors and other members of society.

Rigid class disticntions they could have oevrturned if they had kept their guns and ran out he samurai.

	23-03-2004 21:43									#435
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quote: Rigid class disticntions they could have oevrturned if they had kept their guns and ran out he samurai.

I see you persist in the mistaken belief that barely trained foot soldiers equipped with guns were ever a match for the large, highly trained and battle hardened samurai class.

	23-03-2004 21:53									#436
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten I see you persist in the mistaken belief that barely trained foot soldiers equipped with guns were ever a match for the large, highly trained and battle hardened samurai class.

you mean how badly trained peons with guns pwned the highly trained and battle hardened knights?

Yes, unthinkable.

	23-03-2004 21:54									#437
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten I see you persist in the mistaken belief that barely trained foot soldiers equipped with guns were ever a match for the large, highly trained and battle hardened samurai class.

It's true, though. That's why the Knightly class in Europe eventually collpsed...English Yeomen Longbows, peasents who just had a Longbow and leather armor (if that) destroyed the ultra-expensive Kinghts.

The same happened in Japan. Tokugawa banned firearms after he became Shogun, because he knew it would threaten his rule. (Guess what he used to assert his controll over the other Samuari at the begining of his campaign?)

	23-03-2004 21:56									#438
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GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE! HOW DARE YOU PEOPLE NOT FUN POST HERE!

	23-03-2004 21:58									#439
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Your service is crap-we are bored.

HOW DARE YOU RUN A COFFEE SHOP WERE ONE CAN'T EVEN GET COFFEE.

	23-03-2004 21:59									#440
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE! HOW DARE YOU PEOPLE NOT FUN POST HERE!

This is fun...

	23-03-2004 22:00									#441
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oh excellent he returns...

let the beer flow

	23-03-2004 22:01									#442
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Beer flows like water

	23-03-2004 22:05									#443
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quote: The same happened in Japan.

No, it didn't. Japan and Europe aren't the same.

quote: Tokugawa banned firearms after he became Shogun, because he knew it would threaten his rule.

The Tokugawa did ban firearms, but they never enforced the ban and the daimyo never followed it. Functionally, nothing changed. Not what you'd expect if the Tokugawa (or the daimyo themselves) really feared a peasant revolt using firearms.

quote: (Guess what he used to assert his controll over the other Samuari at the begining of his campaign?)

I could give you a list, but we've pissed DD off enough, I think. It certainly wasn't firearms, however, as any daimyo worth his salt had firearms by the time of Sekigahara. The examples of Nobunaga and Hideyoshi were more than enough to convince military leaders of the value of firearm-equipped foot soldiers.

	23-03-2004 22:06									#444
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Oh, and I'd be a bit more receptive to the owner's wishes if he'd GIVE ME MY ****ING SWORD!

	23-03-2004 22:36									#445
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten You just made the list, buddy.

Cool -- I'm on your ignore list now?

	23-03-2004 22:38									#446
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Shoot, I pop in before leaving for work, then stop by during the lunch break and I missed the discussion of ninjas and samuaris and such...

Now that silly discussion is over...can I get a saki?

	23-03-2004 22:39									#447
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What the freaking, dog's name, hell is a damn saki?

	23-03-2004 22:39									#448
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*Holds Ninja sword against Mr. Fun's furry neck*

Don't you ever talk bad about my ninja brothahood again.

	23-03-2004 22:40									#449
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Dude, ninjas are like, soooo retarded.

	23-03-2004 22:51									#450
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*cg stuffs a platypus in MrFun's shorts.