16-03-2004 20:12									#91
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov What's the point of doing that?

It makes more sense according to the "math of the doubters."

PS This is what I get for answering posts just after waking up.

	16-03-2004 20:26									#92
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Whatever happened with that European meeting that was supposed to discuss Europe's collective response to the attack and Spain? Has it occurred yet?

	16-03-2004 21:36									#93
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quote: Originally posted by Jac de Molay It's the politics of fear-mongering we've all come to know and love from the Bush cabal. If it ever came to the point that people were prevented from voting their TRUE conscience out of fear of possible future attacks, then the terrorists HAVE truly won

It would be sad if Bush and co tried to use the example of Spain's withdrawal and 'terrorist' sponsored election victory to convince voters in the US that they need him now more than ever. I don't think it will feature in the US election campaign, at least I hope not.

	16-03-2004 21:39									#94
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc It makes more sense according to the "math of the doubters." PS This is what I get for answering posts just after waking up.

No it doesn't and Boris showed you why. The smaller a country's commitment, the less important their withdrawal is to the whole issue.

	16-03-2004 21:51									#95
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If the government lied about the attack to gain political capital, then I would re-evaluate its trustworthiness.
Otherwise, no. However, in the case of Spain, the attack one could argue is an understandable, if horrifying consequence of the war on Iraq, which has made us in the West even less safe from terrorists. I cannot blame people for voting Socialist because that fact has now been brought home to them.

No AQ can only affect direct political change by taking over governments. Effects on voting are environmental, so this entire argument (PA) is a strawman.

	16-03-2004 21:59									#96
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Well Iraq had nothing to do with terrorism. So if a government supported that it already had one black point for all the innocents killed. If this helps terrorists (as it certaintly does) it has two black points. If this results in the killing of compatriotes it has three black points. If it lies about the source of the attacks to benefit itself it has four black points.
So there wasn't really one but 4 reasons to vote them out.
The result is: combatting terrorism not helping it and thus making the world safer.

	16-03-2004 23:29									#97
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"No AQ can only affect direct political change by taking over governments."

"Well Iraq had nothing to do with terrorism"

Have you two ready any of the comments at all in the several threads over the last few days? Jesus.

i) Without this attack, the PP would be in power. Now it isn't, and al-Qaeda have chased some of the "infidels from holy soil" (or whatever) as a result of the expected withdrawal of Spanish troops

ii) It has everything to do with it.

FOr ****s sake you two.

	16-03-2004 23:39									#98
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quote: i) Without this attack, the PP would be in power. Now it isn't, and al-Qaeda have chased some of the "infidels from holy soil" (or whatever) as a result of the expected withdrawal of Spanish troops

Without the crash of '29, Hoover would have won the '32/33 election. Its all consequential. You really should consider the difference between intent+direct consequence (in this case 201 dead people) and indirect consequence. To use my very overused analogy, blaming AQ for the new Spanish govt is like blaming Plato for Hitler. And, PA, I think you'll find that Karl Popper is not your friend .

quote: ii) It has everything to do with it.

The fact that we are now evidently more at risk would seem to preclude that. Also consider that AQ had little or nothing to do with Saddam Hussein.

Try again

	16-03-2004 23:43									#99
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Yes, I will vote for the party that the terrorist want least in power if that happens in the US.

	16-03-2004 23:44									#100
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Well that's plainly stupid

	17-03-2004 00:40									#101
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I will vote for the party I deem the most competent and honest, regardless of terrorist attacks. The only difference the attacks will do on my suffrage, is that I will consider antiterrorist efficiency as one more variable to base my judgement.

	17-03-2004 00:44									#102
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious Yes, I will vote for the party that the terrorist want least in power if that happens in the US.

Vote Al Sharpton.

	17-03-2004 00:46									#103
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He endorsed Kerry.

	17-03-2004 00:46									#104
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If any government shows itself incapable of stopping attacks by its actions and you note terrorism as the greatest danger and issue, why would you vote to reelect that group?

	17-03-2004 00:54									#105
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc He endorsed Kerry.

Do a write in vote.

	17-03-2004 01:09									#106
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quote: Originally posted by GePap If any government shows itself incapable of stopping attacks by its actions and you note terrorism as the greatest danger and issue, why would you vote to reelect that group?

If this post was aimed at me, it is unlikely I ever consider terrorism as the greatest issue. But should terrorism become one of the valid issues in my eyes, I will not hold some party responsible for terrorist attacks, unless said party has done a real blunder: terrorism is a threat that is extremely difficult to prevent.

	17-03-2004 01:11									#107
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quote: Originally posted by Big Crunch Do a write in vote.

Vote for me if you insist on doing a write in vote.

	17-03-2004 01:13									#108
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No, not aimed at you. It is aimed at those who say the Spaniards should have voted for the PP.

	17-03-2004 02:36									#109
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quote: Originally posted by GePap If any government shows itself incapable of stopping attacks by its actions and you note terrorism as the greatest danger and issue, why would you vote to reelect that group?

I believe the terrorists are a better judge of who is most likely to stop them than you.

	17-03-2004 02:38									#110
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quote: Originally posted by Big Crunch Vote Al Sharpton.

please explain. You have my attention.

	17-03-2004 03:40									#111
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does anyone remember how all the dutchies voted for Fortuyn's list just because he was shot?

	17-03-2004 03:43									#112
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious I believe the terrorists are a better judge of who is most likely to stop them than you.

Sorry, but this is just too stupid.

	17-03-2004 03:43									#113
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	17-03-2004 03:48									#114
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	17-03-2004 03:53									#115
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triple posts are Apolyton's 9/11

	17-03-2004 03:55									#116
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Vote for me if you insist on doing a write in vote.

Next time I get to vote in a foregone conclusion election I will.

	17-03-2004 04:01									#117
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TP for my bunghole? wrong TP...

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	17-03-2004 20:49									#119
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Sorry, but this is just too stupid.

Huh? Why wouldn't they know? Anyway, why does it matters. They obviously had a preference in the Spanish elections, and that's why the bombing came when it did.

	17-03-2004 20:52									#120
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious Huh? Why wouldn't they know? Anyway, why does it matters. They obviously had a preference in the Spanish elections, and that's why the bombing came when it did.

Why would they? Obviously when AQ launched its 9/11 attacks, it knew that bush was the enemy to fight, no, according to your logic?

As for their preference in the Spanish Elections- a huge, big who the **** cares? Don't be dense.