16-03-2004 13:33									#31
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But the Hive argues that you can't break a ceasefire with PEACE, after the Hive destroys a non-millitary unit in Hive territory. That just makes no sense.

Its like the Hive attacking CyCon because Miriam killed a Uni probeteam.

Pah.

-Jam

	16-03-2004 17:33									#32
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When did the Hive claim that Island as its territory? We had proposed making it a Nutral Zone but we didn't get any feed back on that from the Hive?

The Hive realy needs to start making its positions clear, you simply cant feel some way about something and then get mad when someone else dosent know it. Just come out and SAY what your position with regards to PEACE and your territory and Sphere of influence and what would constitute a unacceptable threat. THEN perhaps you can get pissed at us if we do something you have said not to.

So far the Hives is "We dont know what we want but you had better do it or we will get mad" you shurly must see how rediculus this is and how it has contributed to this bad situation we are in, please snap out of it and get on the ball diplomaticaly, stop giving us the run around and be strait forward for what you expect us to do or not do.

I realy hope your new diplomate Arneleos can bring some sense to the Hives forign policy.

	16-03-2004 17:35									#33
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Our cease-fire with PEACE came about due to the Hive. It is no wonder then that the status of this treaty is also bound by Hive actions.


Speaking of not making sense - the Hive "had" to destroy that CP because you felt "threatened" by it. A non-military unit, may I remind you. Now how do you explain that conundrum?


Voltaire: I'm not sure how I could have made that post any more sarcastic, yet you managed to miss all that sarcasm? You aren't American, are you?

	16-03-2004 18:06									#34
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It moved towards us, and could make a base from which primitive CyCon air units could threaten the fragile peace.

And its not like we attacked your troops or anything, only some mind-controlled PEACE citizens.

-Jam

	16-03-2004 18:20									#35
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They were mind-controlled CPU citizens, former PEACE citizens. That doesn't make them any less valuable to us, just as killing a base full of nerve-stapled citizens is just as bad as killing a base full of happy workers.

	16-03-2004 18:22									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Jamski It moved towards us, and could make a base from which primitive CyCon air units could threaten the fragile peace. And its not like we attacked your troops or anything, only some mind-controlled PEACE citizens. -Jam

Even if they were mere mind-controlled citizens, they were CPU citizens nonetheless. IOW, Hive performed an atrocity against a group of civilians which were unarmed. The position of that pod was merely to confuse opponents, which it did appearantly. Further more I posted a few messages in the main forum that CPU did not wish to found a base on that island since that would be pointless. If we wanted to found a base their, logic dictates that we should have done so immediately in our turn, since an empty landbase cannot be destroyed in the game by air -or sea units. Then, and only then, did CPU had a change to have an 'outpost' fairly close to Hive territory. Instead, we choose NOT to do so, because of we could imagine that Hive would feel threatened by the presence of a base there.

In short, Jamski, Hive did certainly not destroy that pod for 'security' reasons, unless not a single member in your faction has knowledge about the game mechanics, which is hard to believe.

	16-03-2004 18:29									#37
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The pod was destroyed and the PEACE citizens were freed from the mind-control virus.

If CyCon were not planning to build a base here, why did they take these prisoners and then send them in a CyCon Colony Pod to certain death?

And if you were NOT going to build a base there, as you say, then why do you care about the pod?

I think you left the pod there to make the Hive destroy it so you would have a reason to get agressive.

-Jam

	16-03-2004 18:30									#38
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Ok so let me get this strait, you feel you attack on the Colony Pod was justified because it could have created a base that we could have used as an Air Base from which to attack? Well might I point out that we infact DID NOT DO THAT WHEN WE HAD THE CHANCE TO!

Oh and we care abou the Pod because it can be merged into an existing base (helping to accelerate our anemic growth) or used to found a base in some rich territory to the south. We didnt have a transport imediatly avalible to move the unit off the island so we simply moved it around the island instead.

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	16-03-2004 18:37									#39
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Which prove you wanted war. By not building the base last turn you forced the Hive to destroy it this turn. You knew that when you didn't build a base. You want the Hive to look like the aggressors.

Well, your plan failed.

-Jam

	16-03-2004 18:39									#40
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"Freed from the mind-control virus" is a rather bland way of saying you slaughtered them.


If we wanted to go to war with the Hive, wouldn't we, just maybe, have planted the city that gave us a huge advantage first rather than use it as some excuse to make the Hive look bad? What exactly do we gain by having the Hive kill off random units of ours?

	16-03-2004 18:40									#41
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Since when did the CyCon care about the lives of PEACE purehumans?



-Jam

	16-03-2004 18:40									#42
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hmz...first you say you have the best in mind for PEACE and then destroy a CP that is full with ex PEACE members and say:

quote: And its not like we attacked your troops or anything, only some mind-controlled PEACE citizens

may I give some attention to the word ONLY... and still we were not at war with the HIVE and YOU attack us...explain that...dimplomatic channels were still open between the CPU and the HIVE...

	16-03-2004 18:41									#43
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Diplomatic channels still are open

Just don't pretend to care about the loss of this PEACE colony pod.

-Jam

	16-03-2004 18:44									#44
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Why, the Hive started a thread protesting our "destruction" of that CP. Then proceeded to actually destroy the unit when they realised that we had merely captured it.

	16-03-2004 18:48									#45
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Silly CyCon... the pod is destroyed, but the PEACE citizens are free.

-Jam

	16-03-2004 18:49									#46
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I protest to any destruction of CPU owned units and bases... WHICH IS MY FULL RIGHT TO DO...

	16-03-2004 18:50									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Jamski The pod was destroyed and the PEACE citizens were freed from the mind-control virus.

Your 'sterilisation' troops were a bit to throughly, I'm afraid, those so-called PEACE citizens died in the process...

quote: Originally posted by Jamski If CyCon were not planning to build a base here, why did they take these prisoners and then send them in a CyCon Colony Pod to certain death?

Well, hoarding them in an airtransport was not possible, no airfield around. Hoarding them on a transport was not possible, out of range. Hoarding them in their own transportation (thus it was no CPU cp) was thus the only left solution. It seemed logical as well since it was an unarmed unit.

quote: Originally posted by Jamski And if you were NOT going to build a base there, as you say, then why do you care about the pod?

Because it was a negotiable unit in our talks with PEACE, remember the threatening talks of chairman Voltaire and other Hive members at the time. A PEACE base on that island, with pact with Hive, and PEACE could not even say no to a forced 'protection' force close to CPU territory then. IOW, the same reason why Hive desperately wants no CPU base on that island: too close for comfort.

quote: Originally posted by Jamski I think you left the pod there to make the Hive destroy it so you would have a reason to get agressive.

The pod was not 'left there', it was moved away from the presence of hostile Hive units (the cutter and a needlejet and a laserfoil). It is a normal precaution from civilians to flee from a possible area of violence. The seem reason thus why not a base should be founded there. Hive did warn us not to found a base there, which we complied to. Hive did simply not give us time to remove the pod from that area.

However way you wish to express it, Hive did willingly commit an atrocity against civilians, the very thing they claim to oppose by voice of chairman Voltaire.

	16-03-2004 18:50									#48
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Protest noted.

Now how about stolen property? Does the CyCon count this as "owned" ?

-Jam

	16-03-2004 18:57									#49
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The CP captain received a better offer from us.
Of course, that didn't do him much good with the Hive around.

	16-03-2004 18:58									#50
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yes it does...you attacked a un armed unit. you still havent given any good explanation for this. and no official declation of war OR vendetta was given...this is nothing more then a terrorist attack.

	16-03-2004 19:01									#51
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Ok, it was a terrorist attack on a true CyCon unit. Big wow.

Now, what was your reason to want to have a war with the Hive again?

-Jam

	16-03-2004 19:03									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Jamski Now how about stolen property? Does the CyCon count this as "owned" ?

Stolen property? How do you mean? At the moment their was a war going on.

Do you comply to an opponent who states that you just 'stole' a base when your troops walked in, or do you have a good laugh at him.

	16-03-2004 19:06									#53
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Yes, a war was going on, but mind-controlling civillians is far beyond any millitary action.

-Jam

	16-03-2004 19:06									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Jamski Ok, it was a terrorist attack on a true CyCon unit. Big wow. Now, what was your reason to want to have a war with the Hive again?

It was no true CPU unit, it was an imprisoned PEACE colony pod.

Terrorist attacks are a justified reason to go to war, but CPU restrained from that, thus your last remark is thereby void.

	16-03-2004 19:07									#55
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since when did I say anything about declaring war to the HIVE? maybe your 'emotions' blind your what is said in my post. this terrorist attack was carried out by official HIVE military units. which were under direct control of the HIVE government. This means the HIVE government on purpose attack a CPU unit (WHICH WAS UNARMED). this resulted in a destabilization in the area. Which is something i believe the HIVE wants to avoid..seeing there responses on the PEACE-CPU war. so again explain to me the reason you attack that CP unit? the reasons you gave up until now contradict your previous statements. If you would have said just because we wanted! then you have given me a reason i can life with. and which would have its own consequences

	16-03-2004 19:08									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Jamski Yes, a war was going on, but mind-controlling civillians is far beyond any millitary action.

Better then destroying them, they were innocent civilians, Jamski. They still had the chance to be released out of our control. As stated, the cp was a negotiable unit

	16-03-2004 19:08									#57
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quote: Yes, a war was going on, but mind-controlling civillians is far beyond any millitary action. -Jam

oh and how would you classify a attack on civillians then?

	16-03-2004 19:20									#58
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Seems like we have mind-controlled our conversation opponent, he hasn't posted in about 15 min.

	16-03-2004 19:31									#59
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That or he went down to the shops to get groceries. And a pizza. He better not have forgotten my pizza.

	16-03-2004 21:15									#60
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quote: oh and how would you classify a attack on civillians then?

A terrorist attack.

quote: He better not have forgotten my pizza

I got your pizza. Calamari, banana and blue cheese, right?

-Jam