21-03-2004 11:54									#61
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Giancarlo,
You don't have to join if you don't want to but..
It's never been easier for a homosexual to join. Just don't say and no one is allowed to ask. If you really wanted to join you could. I came in the military at 124 lbs. I did not think I had the build either but if you really wanted to change your build you could. You can do anything you set your mind to.
I would recommend getting an education to anyone over joinging the military. After you graduate, you can still serve your country. There's always a need for smart men and women who are dedicated. Of course, you may have to put your career on hold for a few years. But if you pick the right field military service can enhance your civillian career when you get out.
You seem to be a patriotic young man so I really don't understand why service to your country is not for you. But, if you say it's not then I believe you. So you have no need to respond. Comprende eso?

	21-03-2004 11:57									#62
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quote: Originally posted by Pax Africanus Giancarlo, You don't have to join if you don't want to but.. It's never been easier for a homosexual to join. Just don't say and no one is allowed to ask. If you really wanted to join you could. I came in the military at 124 lbs.

I am not going to join because it is not my thing. I am going to contribute something to society which I am good at. This does not change my views.

quote: I did not think I had the build either but if you really wanted to change your build you could.

No I can't. I tried that. Including working out.. doesn't work.

quote: After you graduate, you can still serve your country. There's always a need for smart men and women who are dedicated.

Again you seem to lack understanding and reading comprehension skills. I am not going to join because I can be more useful for society elsewhere.

quote: You seem to be a patriotic young man so I really don't understand why service to your country is not for you. But, if you say it's not then I believe you. So you have no need to respond. Comprende eso?

You have a little problem of reading. MILITARY SERVICE IS NOT FOR ME, AND I WILL LEAVE THAT FOR PEOPLE WHO IT IS FIT FOR. Comprende?

	21-03-2004 11:59									#63
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Exactly how do you plan to contribute to society?

	21-03-2004 12:00									#64
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quote: Originally posted by Pax Africanus Exactly how do you plan to contribute to society?

You couldn't be more rude in your questions could you?

By getting a job in the government. Essentially following in my dad's footsteps..

	21-03-2004 12:05									#65
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For the the thousandth time all apologies.

I think government service is commendable. I believe everyone should do some amount of service to their country.

	21-03-2004 12:06									#66
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Well seeing your anti-government stances here I don't see how you could possibly think that.

	21-03-2004 12:07									#67
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I'm not anti-government. Just anti-imperialist pro-civil rights and self-determination.

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quote: Originally posted by PLATO Start reading the evidence of al-Qaeda that has been found and then start reading what the terrorist are saying. Those are facts. This one doesn't fit into your "let's all be at peace and if we are not then it's the US fault" standard argument.

You haven't given any line that says "we will conquer the world". Twice you psoted a line saying "kill Aericans anywere"..OK, since Americans make up 5% of the world people, and all Muslims about 16.6%, what about the other 78% of the world? Were is the line against the 20% of the world that is Chinese?

Sorry, but I have this crazy notion of actually looking at how they act (you now, the line about put up or shut up, or the lines about actions as opposed to words.)

quote: The differences between the war on terror and Vietnam are so incredibly vast that noone could even begin to list them in the space provided here.

Yes, you are right-one was a real war-the other is an annoying rhetorical flourish.

While I hate to do this, lets get a grip on perspective here folks- 25,000 people or LESS have been killed by Islamist terrorism outside of Algeria (a nice civil war situation of it's own) since 1990..which means islamist terrorism is down the line in terms of people being killed for political reasons. If people in the Rich states get all worked up abou it, its becuase it is the one form of political violence that hits them-much like how much more is made about a airplane accidents as opposed to the far greater amount of people that die from Car crashes.

	21-03-2004 12:09									#69
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quote: Originally posted by Pax Africanus I'm not anti-government. Just anti-imperialist pro-civil rights and self-determination.

So you are calling me pro-imperialist then?

	21-03-2004 12:14									#70
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conquer the world? Of course not.

But they do want to destroy western civilization (including christian and jewish civilization)

	21-03-2004 12:21									#71
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I think that the neocons, the project for a new american century, a lot of policy makers, and lot international corporations have imperialist goals and set policies accordingly. They then use current events to mask their intentions. To make their efforts look humanitarian when their really about money and power. You may support some of their policies but I doubt you are an actual imperialist. Just a supporter.

	21-03-2004 12:23									#72
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quote: Originally posted by Pax Africanus I think that the neocons, the project for a new american century, a lot of policy makers, and lot international corporations have imperialist goals and set policies accordingly. They then use current events to mask their intentions. To make their efforts look humanitarian when their really about money and power. You may support some of their policies but I doubt you are an actual imperialist. Just a supporter.

That is a biased, dry and overused accusations to press against me. I am for the liberation of the Iraqi people. This was not neo-conservative.

	21-03-2004 12:26									#73
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I did not accuse you of being a neocon. I said you support some of their policies. You even agreed as you disagreed.

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quote: Originally posted by Pax Africanus I did not accuse you of being a neocon. I said you support some of their policies. You even agreed as you disagreed.

Being in support of the Iraq war does not make me support a neo-conservative policy. Certainly neo-conservatives support the Iraq war, but so do others.

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Neocons did not support the war. They pushed for it. It was a general policy of neocons. Some neocons may not have supported it just like some republicans or dems may not like certain party policies but it's one of the group goals. If you support it then you are in fact supporting a neocon platform goal.

	21-03-2004 12:43									#76
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quote: Originally posted by Pax Africanus If you support it then you are in fact supporting a neocon platform goal.

Other people hold the same opinions (and they are on both sides too). So it isn't only a neo-con platform goal.

I must be getting to my bf... I'll argue this out later.

	21-03-2004 13:15									#77
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quote: If blowing up innocent civilians isn't terror, then I don't know what is.

Ahem...that includes just about every modern nation that has ever fought in a war.

	21-03-2004 13:25									#78
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quote: Originally posted by Berzerker Ahem...that includes just about every modern nation that has ever fought in a war.

I am talking about well... like taking an airplane into a building... like on 9/11, when a nation was at peace.

	21-03-2004 13:48									#79
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I think their goal is to conquer their own boredom

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quote: Originally posted by GePap You haven't given any line that says "we will conquer the world".

So how do you interpret "Current goal is to establish a pan-Islamic Caliphate throughout the world..." and "Establishing the rule of God on earth"?? Looks to me as I have twice posted that their goal is worldwide fundamentalist government. Selective reading on your part?

quote: quote: The differences between the war on terror and Vietnam are so incredibly vast that noone could even begin to list them in the space provided here. Yes, you are right-one was a real war-the other is an annoying rhetorical flourish. While I hate to do this, lets get a grip on perspective here folks- 25,000 people or LESS have been killed by Islamist terrorism outside of Algeria (a nice civil war situation of it's own) since 1990..which means islamist terrorism is down the line in terms of people being killed for political reasons. If people in the Rich states get all worked up abou it, its becuase it is the one form of political violence that hits them-much like how much more is made about a airplane accidents as opposed to the far greater amount of people that die from Car crashes.

Well I thought this one was obvious enough that it didn't really need any explanation...guess I was wrong.

The major differences in the wars:

1.) Vietnam was a territorial war with the specific goal of limited territory. Both sides would stop when the specific goal was reached. In fact, North Vietnam did.

2.) The theatre of war was limited to the area in question.

3.) A legitimate government was involved on both sides. International partners were backing both sides.

4.) Religious idealism played no part in the war.

WRT The war on terror:

1.) Shear number of deaths does not indicate the political and economic impact of the war.

2.) Religious idealogy (i.e. Islamic fundamentalism) is able to recruit across boarders with over 700 million muslims living in a large number of countries.

3.) A "no-negotiation" position wrt al-Qaeda. (Their position as well as ours)

4.) Total intolerence for differing beliefs by al-Qaeda to the point of zero respect for non-muslim life.


These are just a few of many many differences. But I believe that you already knew them. Most of your differences with people are well thought out...even though I disagree with you conclusions of the evidence. This one is not. al-Qaeda must be destroyed or brought to justice. If they adhere to their stated goals then they will not stop until eithier us or them are gone...I pick them.

	21-03-2004 21:55									#81
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quote: Originally posted by PLATO So how do you interpret "Current goal is to establish a pan-Islamic Caliphate throughout the world..." and "Establishing the rule of God on earth"?? Looks to me as I have twice posted that their goal is worldwide fundamentalist government. Selective reading on your part?

So you mean Miss Universe actually represents THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE!!

Lets see, "God ule on Earth", you mean like The City on the HIll? 'on Earth, as in this world, and "emcompassing the whole earth" are too vastly different things. As for "throughout the wolrd"-you know, I have seen no Wal-marts in Panama, and I doubt there are many in the Central African republic, yet somehow that company and many others have the gaul to call themselves "International", or "global"-how dare they call themselves global unless they are EVERYWHERE!!

Have I made my point yet about this, or do I need more obvious examples?

quote: The major differences in the wars: 1.) Vietnam was a territorial war with the specific goal of limited territory. Both sides would stop when the specific goal was reached. In fact, North Vietnam did.

Except that it was sold as part of the grand global war on communism, at least in the states...

quote: 2.) The theatre of war was limited to the area in question.

And the theater here is not?-we can argue this one more.

quote: 1.) Shear number of deaths does not indicate the political and economic impact of the war.

Only in so far as anything that happens to the rich has greater economic impact than what happens to the poor, AND since the rich set the agenda of what is politically important, obviously this is true. I mean, who cares about 2 million dead in the Congo? Its a poor isolated region, so whatever I guess.

quote: 2.) Religious idealogy (i.e. Islamic fundamentalism) is able to recruit across boarders with over 700 million muslims living in a large number of countries.

1 billion.

quote: 4.) Total intolerence for differing beliefs by al-Qaeda to the point of zero respect for non-muslim life.

They have shown themselves contemptous of most Muslims as well.

	21-03-2004 22:19									#82
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quote: Originally posted by PLATO The differences between the war on terror and Vietnam are so incredibly vast that noone could even begin to list them in the space provided here. They are also so incredibly vast that I find it nearly impossible to believe that you don't see enough of them to make that last post anything but a troll.

You are absolutely right. It simply is insane to declare war on an abstract concept.

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quote: quote: 2.) Religious idealogy (i.e. Islamic fundamentalism) is able to recruit across boarders with over 700 million muslims living in a large number of countries. 1 billion.

300 million live in a small number of countries, thats where the discrepency lies.

	22-03-2004 01:38									#84
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US ought to be attacking not the castle but the mind. We ought to airdrop TVs, movies, and other goodies and destroy their fundamentalism with consumer electronics.

	22-03-2004 04:03									#85
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Brittney Spears? What are you trying to do? Burn my eyes out and make me blind? I got an idea, drop that image on leaflets throughout the Sunni area of Iraq... that'll shut up those militants.

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Eh, I'm late. Oh well.

It doesn't matter what their goal is. These people obviously lack the critical thinking abilities to carry out any plans they might have. I mean, who thinks, "Hmm, the most powerful country on Earth hates and distrusts my people-aha! I know how to fix it! I'll attack that country's civilians without warning and declare war on their way of life! That's sure to lead to better understanding and cooperation between our societies!" Amazing how they can implement sophisticated attacks on well-guarded targets, but don't have the sense to think about why they would want to in the first place.

	22-03-2004 08:00									#88
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo Talk with terrorists? No. The US doesn't do that.

Why not. Talking can be the only way to settle this. USA doesnot have the manpower to occup almost very nations on this planet or control different people of different cultures. In a lots of poor 3rd world nations around this world the 9-11 terrorist are consider hero by these poor people.

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So we should negoigate with terrorists? These people do NOT represent other cultures. They just want to incite terror in the hearts of millions. You can't even type english so why do I even bother talking with you? Just one more DL.

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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb 1 billion.

300 million live in a small number of countries, thats where the discrepency lies. [/QUOTE]

It is now est that there are 1.6 billion muslim worldwide 1.5 billion Christian worldwide 800 million Hindic world wide(but mostly in India).