21-03-2004 01:52									#1
	Win2K problems Inflate your Upload Space

Hi - I just decided to dust off CTP2 and give it a go again, but the game keeps crashing as soon as I try to run it. (It is patched to 1.11, no mods - clean install) When I try to run it, a little window pops up stating a logfile will be created (the Windows logger).

I have all the latest patches for my hardware that I know of. Windows 2000 has been patched as well. The game just won't run.

Any ideas, or user-made patches/tweaks that I could try to get this game working again? Thanks...

	21-03-2004 02:31									#2
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Follow up: I've even tried using no cd patches, with no success.

	21-03-2004 12:21									#3
	Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

Ok, after a lot of searching and many audio/video tweaks and upgrades, I still cannot get the game to run. I have finally found a link to something that might be my problem, and that the game may not be completing its installation, even though it says 100%.

I was able to install the game on my laptop with XP on it, no problem. The music and screenshots showed more than on this Win2k install. It just seems apparent that its not finishing the install process.

Has anyone got any suggestions on how to get around this problem? (I even tried copying files from the XP install to the Win2k install, but no change) If not, I hope the source code team can kindly put this as a minor priority fix, as I know I'm not the only one with this problem now.

	21-03-2004 15:45									#4
	Tired of ads?

Do you have admin rights? If not, that could explain why the install isn't completed as you don't have permission to alter the register and the like.

I'm not sure if this works on Win2k, but if you boot to safemode in XP you can log in as the user 'Administrator' (that only appears in safemode). You could try this from Win2k as well and if that works, try to install the game from that account.

	22-03-2004 04:24									#5
	Suffering from ads?

Yeah, I thought that might have been the problem, but I set up this login with full admin rights, same as the default login.

I just tested this game on another clean install of Win2k and it ran fine, so I'm guessing its some sort of hardware incompatibility on my system...

Using a Shuttle system,
RealTek AC'97 Audio (built in)
ATI Radeon 9700 Pro (4.3 Catalyst)
Generic DVD Rom drive
P4 3.2 Ghz
1 Gig RAM

	25-03-2004 05:28									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Black_Knight1 Ok, after a lot of searching and many audio/video tweaks and upgrades, I still cannot get the game to run. I have finally found a link to something that might be my problem, and that the game may not be completing its installation, even though it says 100%.

I met the same problem when I was under Win2000, as you wrote it the installation sometimes does not end properly.

On Win2000 the process ran smoothly until it reached the 96% or so threshold, the process then hang at 96% for a minute or so (if not more) until the "installation complete" message popped up. When I tried to run the game I think it crashed (I don't remember exactly as it was something like two years ago)... I had to install the game several times until the process breached the 96% barrier and ended adequately.

	25-03-2004 14:53									#7
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

Not that it will help you, but I am running it on W2k without problems. It might be a problem with the CD-speed. If you can lower it, it might help. (this I read for other programs on other forums, espacially for laptops).

Actually you also might want to lower the performance of W2K.

Another thing: Are you using any Anti-virus-SW or similar, while installing?

	25-03-2004 23:25									#8
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

quote: Originally posted by Gilgamensch Not that it will help you, but I am running it on W2k without problems. It might be a problem with the CD-speed. If you can lower it, it might help. (this I read for other programs on other forums, espacially for laptops). Actually you also might want to lower the performance of W2K. Another thing: Are you using any Anti-virus-SW or similar, while installing?

Can't seem to lower it, sadly. If it is the speed, that sucks, because if I could just get it to install completely (assuming that's why it won't run), then I could use the no cd patch to bypass the cd drive.

I just have a hunch that its a hardware conflict with either the sound card or motherboard chipset, just by the nature of the crash.

I don't have any active anti-virus, I scan files manually as I d/l them. The only program I have active is Zone Alarm (and yes, I tried installing ctp2 with ZA disabled).

I'm going back to a full tower by getting an ASUS mobo either today or tomorrow, so maybe that will fix this mess.

	04-04-2004 08:12									#9
	Remove this text

Follow up - I just got a new mobo (ASUS P4G800 Deluxe) with a new Audigy 2 and Radeon 9200 (my old video card broke down). I am using the same install of Windows (I didn't format) and tried to uninstall/install all the proper drivers. Everything on the computer works fine. All other games works fine. CTP2 still won't run, same crash occurs. I did uninstall/re-install ctp2, and it did take the normal amount of time to install this time, but still didn't run.

I did just install the new playtest patch and that got me through to the game at last. However, the screen flickers badly, like the graphics of ctp2 don't like my video card or something. Its pretty much unplayable despite being able to run it now with this playtest patch...

	04-04-2004 08:37									#10
	Inflate your Upload Space

I wouldve formatted, installed XP and fresh device drivers, not least to elimate any factors with any future problems.

As child of Thor suggested in the other thread try lowering your hardware acceleration for your graphics card. Ive played CtP2 on a PC with a Radeon 9200 at full hardware acceleration with no problems, so it could be a driver thing.

	04-04-2004 13:21									#11
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Hmm... Can you describe the screen flickering - is it the same problem as described by ADG in this thread, or is it a more frequent sort of flickering?

	05-04-2004 01:41									#12
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Yeah, I would say its close to what is described in that thread - its about every 2-5 seconds. When it does flicker, it flickers repeatedly for a couple seconds.

I've tried different screen depths/resolutions/frequencies with no change in the problem.

	05-04-2004 03:08									#13
	Inflate your Upload Space

Black_Night1,

I know that there are some issues with some ASUS motherboards and SoundBlaster Live! audio cards. Check if your Sound Card and your Graphic card do not share the same IRQ. If yes, it should be changed and some motherboards allow you to give a specific IRQ to the graphic card through the BIOS. As a last resort you can change the PCI slot of your Audio Card so that another IRQ is given to the audio card (does not work everytime) and avoid PCI slot number 1.

Another possibility would be to check the AGP Aperture Size in the BIOS. The AGP Aperture Size should not be higher than the number of Mo of your AGP Graphic Card's memory. It sometimes solves some problems.

	14-04-2004 23:10									#14
	Put an end to popups!

Thanks for the help thus far.

AGP Apeture Size made no difference, no matter what setting it was. (I tried from 32 to 256)

There are also no IRQ sharing problems. I checked all other IRQ's as well, just to be thourough.

I will add that I do have the screen flicker problem in a few other games as well (Klingon Academy, Bridge Commander, Battlezone II, to name a few). I notice that all the games that give me flicker problems are pre-DX 9 era games. Not all give that flicker problem, but just some. Its weird.

Its playable, but not for long, as I tend to get a headache after trying to focus through the flickering.

	15-04-2004 04:08									#15
	Remove this text

quote: Originally posted by Black_Knight1 I notice that all the games that give me flicker problems are pre-DX 9 era games. Not all give that flicker problem, but just some. Its weird.

Yes, it is really weird, I have the latest DirectX version and I have never experienced problems with games.

Have you tried to run these games with the Windows Compatibility Tool using Win98 compatibility?

	15-04-2004 05:01									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Tamerlin Have you tried to run these games with the Windows Compatibility Tool using Win98 compatibility?

Yep - tried that earlier too - no change.

	15-04-2004 12:50									#17
	Inflate your Upload Space

Actually were you mention DirectX, you think you can post screenies of the config of it? Might be some of those settings.

And no, I am running 8.1 without any problem.

	15-04-2004 22:24									#18
	Get a bigger avatar today!

I hope this is what you meant - I am pasting the info from my DXDIAG...


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System Information
------------------
Time of this report: 4/15/2004, 14:20:14
Machine name: BLACKKNIGHT
Operating System: Windows 2000 Professional (5.0, Build 2195) Service Pack 4
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: To Be Filled By O.E.M.
System Model: To Be Filled By O.E.M.
BIOS: Maxtor 5000LE v01.00.000100
Processor: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.20GHz (2 CPUs)
Memory: 1022MB RAM
Page File: 149MB used, 2299MB available
Windows Dir: C:\WINNT
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0b (4.09.0000.0902)
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
DxDiag Version: 5.03.0001.0902 32bit Unicode

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DxDiag Notes
------------
DirectX Files Tab: No problems found.
Display Tab 1: No problems found.
Sound Tab 1: No problems found.
Music Tab: No problems found.
Input Tab: No problems found.
Network Tab: No problems found.

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DirectX Debug Levels
--------------------
Direct3D: 0/4 (n/a)
DirectDraw: 0/4 (retail)
DirectInput: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectMusic: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectPlay: 0/9 (retail)
DirectSound: 0/5 (retail)
DirectShow: 0/6 (retail)

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Display Devices
---------------
Card name: RADEON 9200
Manufacturer: ATI Technologies Inc.
Chip type: RADEON 9200 AGP (0x5961)
DAC type: Internal DAC(400MHz)
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5961&SUBSYS_20021002&REV_01
Display Memory: 128.0 MB
Current Mode: 1280 x 1024 (32 bit) (75Hz)
Monitor: Dell P1130
Monitor Max Res: 1800,1440
Driver Name: ati2dvag.dll
Driver Version: 6.14.0010.6430 (English)
DDI Version: 9 (or higher)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: 2/24/2004 21:47:26, 398336 bytes
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
WHQL Date Stamp: n/a
VDD: n/a
Mini VDD: ati2mtag.sys
Mini VDD Date: 2/24/2004 21:47:04, 679424 bytes
Device Identifier: {D7B71EE2-1A21-11CF-AC6A-0800A0C2CB35}
Vendor ID: 0x1002
Device ID: 0x5961
SubSys ID: 0x20021002
Revision ID: 0x0001
Revision ID: 0x0001
Video Accel: ModeMPEG2_C ModeMPEG2_D
Deinterlace Caps: {07654321-3046-4FF0-AECC-D58CB5F035FC}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,2) Caps=DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{6E8329FF-B642-418B-BCF0-BCB6591E255F}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,1) Caps=DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch
{07654321-3046-4FF0-AECC-D58CB5F035FC}: Format(In/Out)=(UYVY,UYVY) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,2) Caps=DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{6E8329FF-B642-418B-BCF0-BCB6591E255F}: Format(In/Out)=(UYVY,UYVY) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,1) Caps=DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(UYVY,UYVY) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch
{07654321-3046-4FF0-AECC-D58CB5F035FC}: Format(In/Out)=(YV12,0x32315659) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,2) Caps=DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{6E8329FF-B642-418B-BCF0-BCB6591E255F}: Format(In/Out)=(YV12,0x32315659) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,1) Caps=DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(YV12,0x32315659) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch
{07654321-3046-4FF0-AECC-D58CB5F035FC}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,2) Caps=DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{6E8329FF-B642-418B-BCF0-BCB6591E255F}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,1) Caps=DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch
Registry: OK
DDraw Status: Enabled
D3D Status: Enabled
AGP Status: Enabled
DDraw Test Result: Not run
D3D7 Test Result: Not run
D3D8 Test Result: Not run
D3D9 Test Result: Not run

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Sound Devices
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Description: SB Audigy Audio [DE80]
Default Sound Playback: Yes
Default Voice Playback: Yes
Hardware ID: PCI\VEN_1102&DEV_0004&SUBSYS_10071102&REV_04
Manufacturer ID: 1
Product ID: 100
Type: WDM
Driver Name: ctaud2k.sys
Driver Version: 5.12.0001.0383 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
Date and Size: 4/11/2003 02:32:36, 502160 bytes
Other Files:
Driver Provider: Creative
HW Accel Level: Full
Cap Flags: 0xF5F
Min/Max Sample Rate: 4000, 192000
Static/Strm HW Mix Bufs: 64, 63
Static/Strm HW 3D Bufs: 64, 63
HW Memory: 0
Voice Management: Yes
EAX(tm) 2.0 Listen/Src: Yes, Yes
I3DL2(tm) Listen/Src: No, No
Sensaura(tm) ZoomFX(tm): No
Registry: OK
Sound Test Result: Not run

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Sound Capture Devices
---------------------
Description: SB Audigy Audio [DE80]
Default Sound Capture: Yes
Default Voice Capture: Yes
Driver Name: ctaud2k.sys
Driver Version: 5.12.0001.0383 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Date and Size: 4/11/2003 02:32:36, 502160 bytes
Cap Flags: 0x40
Format Flags: 0xFFF

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DirectMusic
-----------
DLS Path: C:\WINNT\SYSTEM32\drivers\GM.DLS
DLS Version: 1.00.0016.0002
Acceleration: Enabled
Ports: SB Audigy DirectMusic Synthesizer [DE80], Hardware (Kernel Mode), Output, DLS, Internal, Default Port
SB Audigy Audio [DE80], Software (Kernel Mode), Output, DLS, Internal
Microsoft MIDI Mapper [Emulated], Hardware (Not Kernel Mode), Output, No DLS, Internal
SB Audigy Sw Synth [DE80] [Emulated], Hardware (Not Kernel Mode), Output, No DLS, Internal
SB Audigy Synth A [DE80] [Emulated], Hardware (Not Kernel Mode), Output, No DLS, Internal
SB Audigy Synth B [DE80] [Emulated], Hardware (Not Kernel Mode), Output, No DLS, Internal
SB Audigy MIDI Port [DE80] [Emulated], Hardware (Not Kernel Mode), Output, No DLS, External
Microsoft GS Wavetable SW Synth [Emulated], Hardware (Not Kernel Mode), Output, No DLS, Internal
SB Audigy MIDI Port [DE80] [Emulated], Hardware (Not Kernel Mode), Input, No DLS, External
Microsoft Synthesizer, Software (Not Kernel Mode), Output, DLS, Internal
Registry: OK
Test Result: Not run

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DirectInput Devices
-------------------
Device Name: Mouse
Attached: 1
Controller ID: n/a
Vendor/Product ID: n/a
FF Driver: n/a

Device Name: Keyboard
Attached: 1
Controller ID: n/a
Vendor/Product ID: n/a
FF Driver: n/a

Device Name: CH 3-Axis 10-Button+POV USB Joystick
Attached: 1
Controller ID: 0x0
Vendor/Product ID: 0x068E, 0x0504
FF Driver: n/a

Poll w/ Interrupt: No
Registry: OK

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USB Devices
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+ USB Root Hub
| Matching Device ID: usb\root_hub
| Service: usbhub
| Driver: usbhub.sys, 6/19/2003 15:05:04, 40176 bytes

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Gameport Devices
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+ Intel(R) 82801EB PCI Bridge - 244E
| Location: PCI bus 0, device 30, function 0
| Matching Device ID: pci\ven_8086&dev_244e
| Service: pci
| Driver: pci.sys, 6/19/2003 15:05:04, 59312 bytes
|
+-+ Creative Game Port
| | Location: PCI bus 2, device 12, function 1
| | Matching Device ID: pci\ven_1102&dev_7003&subsys_00401102
| | Service: gameenum
| | Driver: gameenum.sys, 6/19/2003 15:05:04, 9808 bytes

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PS/2 Devices
------------
+ Easy Internet Keyboard
| Matching Device ID: *pnp0303
| Upper Filters: itchfltr
| Service: i8042prt
| Driver: i8042prt.sys, 6/19/2003 15:05:04, 46992 bytes
| Driver: kbdclass.sys, 6/19/2003 15:05:04, 24528 bytes
| Driver: itchfltr.sys, 11/8/2003 23:24:18, 12953 bytes
|
+ Microsoft PS/2 Port Mouse (IntelliPoint)
| Matching Device ID: *pnp0f03
| Upper Filters: IPFilter
| Service: i8042prt
| Driver: i8042prt.sys, 6/19/2003 15:05:04, 46992 bytes
| Driver: mouclass.sys, 6/19/2003 15:05:04, 21776 bytes
| Driver: ipfilter.sys, 4/11/2002 11:47:52, 11136 bytes
| Driver: msmscoin.dll, 4/11/2002 11:47:52, 49152 bytes

----------------------------
DirectPlay Service Providers
----------------------------
DirectPlay8 Modem Service Provider - Registry: OK, File: dpnet.dll (5.03.0000.0900)
DirectPlay8 Serial Service Provider - Registry: OK, File: dpnet.dll (5.03.0000.0900)
DirectPlay8 IPX Service Provider - Registry: OK, File: dpnet.dll (5.03.0000.0900)
DirectPlay8 TCP/IP Service Provider - Registry: OK, File: dpnet.dll (5.03.0000.0900)
Internet TCP/IP Connection For DirectPlay - Registry: OK, File: dpwsockx.dll (5.03.0000.0900)
IPX Connection For DirectPlay - Registry: OK, File: dpwsockx.dll (5.03.0000.0900)
Modem Connection For DirectPlay - Registry: OK, File: dpmodemx.dll (5.03.0000.0900)
Serial Connection For DirectPlay - Registry: OK, File: dpmodemx.dll (5.03.0000.0900)

DirectPlay Voice Wizard Tests: Full Duplex: Not run, Half Duplex: Not run, Mic: Not run
DirectPlay Test Result: Not run
Registry: OK

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DirectPlay Adapters
-------------------
DirectPlay8 Serial Service Provider: COM1
DirectPlay8 Serial Service Provider: COM2
DirectPlay8 TCP/IP Service Provider: 3Com Gigabit NIC (3C2000 Family) -

-----------------------
DirectPlay Voice Codecs
-----------------------
Voxware VR12 1.4kbit/s
Voxware SC06 6.4kbit/s
Voxware SC03 3.2kbit/s
MS-PCM 64 kbit/s
MS-ADPCM 32.8 kbit/s
Microsoft GSM 6.10 13 kbit/s
TrueSpeech(TM) 8.6 kbit/s

-------------------------
DirectPlay Lobbyable Apps
-------------------------
Star Wars Galactic Battlegrounds (DX7) - Registry: OK, ExeFile: battlegrounds.exe (1.00.0000.0000)
Star Wars Galactic Battlegrounds: Clone Campaigns (DX7) - Registry: OK, ExeFile: battlegrounds_x1.exe (1.01.0000.0000)
StarLancer (DX7) - Registry: OK, ExeFile: lancer.icd (10.10.0016.0301)

------------------------
Disk & DVD/CD-ROM Drives
------------------------
Drive: C:
Free Space: 23.2 GB
Total Space: 29.3 GB
File System: NTFS
Model: Maxtor 53073H6

Drive: D:
Free Space: 47.7 GB
Total Space: 58.6 GB
File System: NTFS
Model: Maxtor 6Y060L0

Drive: G:
Free Space: 27.4 GB
Total Space: 78.1 GB
File System: FAT32
Model: Maxtor 5000LE v01.00.00 USB Device

Drive: E:
Model: PIONEER DVD-ROM DVD-115
Driver: c:\winnt\system32\drivers\cdrom.sys, 5.00.2195.6655 (English), 6/19/2003 16:05:04, 27984 bytes

Drive: F:
Model: PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-104
Driver: c:\winnt\system32\drivers\cdrom.sys, 5.00.2195.6655 (English), 6/19/2003 16:05:04, 27984 bytes

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System Devices
--------------
Name: Intel(R) 82875P Processor to AGP Controller - 2579
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2579&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_02\3&267A616A&0&08
Driver: C:\WINNT\system32\DRIVERS\AGP440.SYS, 5.00.2195.6655 (English), 6/19/2003 15:05:04, 21008 bytes

Name: Intel(R) 82875P Memory Controller Hub - 2578
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2578&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_02\3&267A616A&0&00
Driver: n/a

Name: Intel(R) 82801EB USB Universal Host Controller - 24DE
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_24DE&SUBSYS_80A61043&REV_02\3&267A616A&0&EB
Driver: C:\WINNT\system32\drivers\uhcd.sys, 5.00.2195.6655 (English), 6/19/2003 15:05:04, 32848 bytes
Driver: C:\WINNT\system32\drivers\usbd.sys, 5.00.2195.6658 (English), 6/19/2003 15:05:04, 20688 bytes
Driver: C:\WINNT\system32\drivers\usbhub.sys, 5.00.2195.6689 (English), 6/19/2003 15:05:04, 40176 bytes
Driver: C:\WINNT\system32\usbui.dll, 5.00.2134.0001 (English), 11/30/1999 23:39:50, 59664 bytes

Name: Intel PCI to USB Enhanced Host Controller - ICH5
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_24DD&SUBSYS_80A61043&REV_02\3&267A616A&0&EF
Driver: C:\WINNT\system32\drivers\usbehci.sys, 5.01.3617.0000 (English), 3/25/2002 07:23:28, 26944 bytes
Driver: C:\WINNT\system32\drivers\usbport.sys, 5.01.3617.0000 (English), 3/25/2002 07:23:26, 142272 bytes
Driver: C:\WINNT\system32\hccoin.dll, 5.01.3617.0000 (English), 3/25/2002 07:23:26, 14400 bytes

Name: Intel(R) 82801EB Ultra ATA Storage Controllers
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_24DB&SUBSYS_80A61043&REV_02\3&267A616A&0&F9
Driver: C:\WINNT\system32\DRIVERS\pciide.sys, 5.00.2195.6655 (English), 6/19/2003 15:05:04, 3088 bytes
Driver: C:\WINNT\system32\DRIVERS\pciidex.sys, 5.00.2195.6672 (English), 6/19/2003 15:05:04, 22064 bytes
Driver: C:\WINNT\system32\DRIVERS\atapi.sys, 5.00.2195.6699 (English), 6/19/2003 15:05:04, 86672 bytes

Name: Intel(R) 82801EB USB Universal Host Controller - 24D7
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_24D7&SUBSYS_80A61043&REV_02\3&267A616A&0&EA
Driver: C:\WINNT\system32\drivers\uhcd.sys, 5.00.2195.6655 (English), 6/19/2003 15:05:04, 32848 bytes
Driver: C:\WINNT\system32\drivers\usbd.sys, 5.00.2195.6658 (English), 6/19/2003 15:05:04, 20688 bytes
Driver: C:\WINNT\system32\drivers\usbhub.sys, 5.00.2195.6689 (English), 6/19/2003 15:05:04, 40176 bytes
Driver: C:\WINNT\system32\usbui.dll, 5.00.2134.0001 (English), 11/30/1999 23:39:50, 59664 bytes

Name: Intel(R) 82801EB USB Universal Host Controller - 24D4
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_24D4&SUBSYS_80A61043&REV_02\3&267A616A&0&E9
Driver: C:\WINNT\system32\drivers\uhcd.sys, 5.00.2195.6655 (English), 6/19/2003 15:05:04, 32848 bytes
Driver: C:\WINNT\system32\drivers\usbd.sys, 5.00.2195.6658 (English), 6/19/2003 15:05:04, 20688 bytes
Driver: C:\WINNT\system32\drivers\usbhub.sys, 5.00.2195.6689 (English), 6/19/2003 15:05:04, 40176 bytes
Driver: C:\WINNT\system32\usbui.dll, 5.00.2134.0001 (English), 11/30/1999 23:39:50, 59664 bytes

Name: Intel(R) 82801EB SMBus Controller - 24D3
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_24D3&SUBSYS_80A61043&REV_02\3&267A616A&0&FB
Driver: n/a

Name: Intel(R) 82801EB USB Universal Host Controller - 24D2
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_24D2&SUBSYS_80A61043&REV_02\3&267A616A&0&E8
Driver: C:\WINNT\system32\drivers\uhcd.sys, 5.00.2195.6655 (English), 6/19/2003 15:05:04, 32848 bytes
Driver: C:\WINNT\system32\drivers\usbd.sys, 5.00.2195.6658 (English), 6/19/2003 15:05:04, 20688 bytes
Driver: C:\WINNT\system32\drivers\usbhub.sys, 5.00.2195.6689 (English), 6/19/2003 15:05:04, 40176 bytes
Driver: C:\WINNT\system32\usbui.dll, 5.00.2134.0001 (English), 11/30/1999 23:39:50, 59664 bytes

Name: Intel(R) 82801EB LPC Interface Controller - 24D0
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_24D0&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_02\3&267A616A&0&F8
Driver: C:\WINNT\system32\DRIVERS\isapnp.sys, 5.00.2195.6655 (English), 6/19/2003 15:05:04, 46992 bytes

Name: Intel(R) 82801EB PCI Bridge - 244E
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_244E&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_C2\3&267A616A&0&F0
Driver: C:\WINNT\system32\DRIVERS\pci.sys, 5.00.2195.6655 (English), 6/19/2003 15:05:04, 59312 bytes

Name: VIA OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller
Device ID: PCI\VEN_1106&DEV_3044&SUBSYS_808A1043&REV_46\4&2E98101C&0&18F0
Driver: C:\WINNT\system32\DRIVERS\ohci1394.sys, 5.00.2195.6655 (English), 6/19/2003 16:05:04, 37680 bytes
Driver: C:\WINNT\system32\DRIVERS\1394bus.sys, 5.00.2195.6701 (English), 6/19/2003 16:05:04, 40752 bytes

Name: Creative Game Port
Device ID: PCI\VEN_1102&DEV_7003&SUBSYS_00401102&REV_04\4&2E98101C&0&61F0
Driver: C:\WINNT\system32\drivers\gameenum.sys, 5.00.2195.6655 (English), 6/19/2003 15:05:04, 9808 bytes

Name: OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller
Device ID: PCI\VEN_1102&DEV_4001&SUBSYS_00101102&REV_04\4&2E98101C&0&62F0
Driver: C:\WINNT\system32\DRIVERS\ohci1394.sys, 5.00.2195.6655 (English), 6/19/2003 16:05:04, 37680 bytes
Driver: C:\WINNT\system32\DRIVERS\1394bus.sys, 5.00.2195.6701 (English), 6/19/2003 16:05:04, 40752 bytes

Name: Creative SB Audigy
Device ID: PCI\VEN_1102&DEV_0004&SUBSYS_10071102&REV_04\4&2E98101C&0&60F0
Driver: C:\WINNT\system32\drivers\portcls.sys, 5.00.2195.6655 (English), 6/19/2003 15:05:04, 148208 bytes
Driver: C:\WINNT\system32\drivers\stream.sys, 5.03.0000.0900 (English), 12/12/2002 01:14:32, 45696 bytes
Driver: C:\WINNT\system32\wdmaud.drv, 5.00.2195.6673 (English), 6/19/2003 15:05:04, 21264 bytes
Driver: C:\WINNT\system32\ksuser.dll, 5.03.0000.0900 (English), 12/12/2002 01:14:32, 4096 bytes
Driver: C:\WINNT\system32\drivers\ctac32k.sys, 5.12.0001.0381 (English), 3/25/2003 09:11:24, 134656 bytes
Driver: C:\WINNT\system32\drivers\ctaud2k.sys, 5.12.0001.0383 (English), 4/11/2003 02:32:36, 502160 bytes
Driver: C:\WINNT\system32\drivers\ctoss2k.sys, 5.12.0001.0381 (English), 3/25/2003 09:12:54, 190176 bytes
Driver: C:\WINNT\system32\drivers\ctprxy2k.sys, 5.12.0001.0381 (English), 3/25/2003 09:13:02, 6144 bytes
Driver: C:\WINNT\system32\drivers\ctsfm2k.sys, 5.12.0001.0381 (English), 3/25/2003 09:13:20, 135696 bytes
Driver: C:\WINNT\system32\drivers\emupia2k.sys, 5.12.0001.0381 (English), 3/25/2003 09:13:30, 144736 bytes
Driver: C:\WINNT\system32\drivers\ha10kx2k.sys, 5.12.0001.0382 (English), 4/2/2003 23:59:46, 850880 bytes
Driver: C:\WINNT\system32\drivers\haP16v2k.sys, 5.12.0001.0383 (English), 4/1/2003 09:07:58, 142752 bytes
Driver: C:\WINNT\system32\drivers\pfmodnt.sys, 3.00.0000.0003 (English), 3/13/2003 08:10:36, 15840 bytes
Driver: C:\WINNT\system32\ctdlang.dat, 3/25/2003 09:37:36, 200089 bytes
Driver: C:\WINNT\system32\ctstatic.dat, 3/25/2003 09:27:02, 270745 bytes
Driver: C:\WINNT\system32\ctdaught.dat, 3/25/2003 09:22:54, 53674 bytes
Driver: C:\WINNT\system32\a3d.dll, 80.00.0000.0003 (English), 3/25/2003 09:05:34, 65536 bytes
Driver: C:\WINNT\system32\commonfx.dll, 5.12.0001.0381 (English), 3/25/2003 09:19:06, 114688 bytes
Driver: C:\WINNT\system32\ctaudfx.dll, 5.12.0001.0382 (English), 4/11/2003 06:50:26, 446464 bytes
Driver: C:\WINNT\system32\ctsblfx.dll, 5.12.0001.0382 (English), 4/11/2003 06:52:18, 598016 bytes
Driver: C:\WINNT\system32\default.ecw, 9/22/1999 14:18:50, 2259067 bytes
Driver: C:\WINNT\system32\sfman32.dll, 5.12.0001.0130 (English), 8/17/2001 05:35:46, 36864 bytes
Driver: C:\WINNT\system32\ctbas2w.dat, 3/25/2003 09:37:32, 139067 bytes
Driver: C:\WINNT\system32\ctsbas2w.dat, 3/25/2003 09:37:30, 250284 bytes
Driver: C:\WINNT\system32\SBAudigy.ico, 8/17/2001 03:42:28, 7406 bytes
Driver: C:\WINNT\system32\Audigy.bmp, 11/13/2001 00:48:20, 1912 bytes
Driver: C:\WINNT\system32\ctcoinst.dll, 3.00.0000.0002 (English), 3/25/2003 08:14:30, 49152 bytes
Driver: C:\WINNT\system32\drivers\ctdvda2k.sys, 5.13.0001.0351 (English), 3/27/2003 01:58:56, 287920 bytes

Name: 3Com Gigabit LOM (3C940)
Device ID: PCI\VEN_10B7&DEV_1700&SUBSYS_80EB1043&REV_12\4&2E98101C&0&28F0
Driver: n/a

	15-04-2004 22:42									#19
	Inflate your Upload Space

It may sound weird but some motherboards experience problems when the RAM is reaching 1GB.

	15-04-2004 23:00									#20
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Not knocking what your saying, but I can't see that being the case. I have had this problem on two different systems (one being the Shuttle, and now the ASUS mobo).

I had flickering in those other game that i mentioned above before I had the Shuttle as well and I only had 768 mb of ram in that system.

	15-04-2004 23:17									#21
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OK

Have you tried the technical forums or those related to graphic cards? I have almost always solved the problems I experienced this way.

	16-04-2004 12:28									#22
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Yes Black_Knight1, that was what I was looking for.

I am checking some stuff on the AGP-side, mide have to do with this.

FYI: I am using the same windows build

If you have some spare time yourself, me thinks, the problem is with the AGP-side.

Is your motherboard APG * 8 or 4? what about the graphic-card?

You might want to try to lower the value via the bios. AFAIR there isn't any graphic-card yet supporting * 8.............

	16-04-2004 17:44									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Gilgamensch You might want to try to lower the value via the bios. AFAIR there isn't any graphic-card yet supporting * 8.............

Mine is supporting AGP 8x and I have the same Graphic card, a Radeon 9200.

Black_Knight1, have you tried to reduce the hardware acceleration by at least one rank?

It allowed me to solve some graphic problems when I was under Win2K.

	16-04-2004 18:00									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Tamerlin Mine is supporting AGP 8x and I have the same Graphic card, a Radeon 9200. Black_Knight1, have you tried to reduce the hardware acceleration by at least one rank? It allowed me to solve some graphic problems when I was under Win2K.

Depends on your motherboard and the Rls of the bios.

	17-04-2004 01:03									#25
	Got spare money?

Thanks for all the help thus far from everyone btw.

My motherboard is AGP 8x (ASUS P4C800). I tried turning the Radeon down to 4x and then to off. Neither changed the problem.

I suppose I could try another monitor at some point, but if I recall, I had flickering with an old one had before this one. I was running Win2k back then as well.

	17-04-2004 05:07									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Black_Knight1 I suppose I could try another monitor at some point, but if I recall, I had flickering with an old one had before this one. I was running Win2k back then as well.

If you still have your old graphic card you can replace the newer one with it, we will then know if it is a specific problem coming from the Radeon 9200 or not.

	17-04-2004 20:21									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Black_Knight1 Thanks for all the help thus far from everyone btw. My motherboard is AGP 8x (ASUS P4C800). I tried turning the Radeon down to 4x and then to off. Neither changed the problem. I suppose I could try another monitor at some point, but if I recall, I had flickering with an old one had before this one. I was running Win2k back then as well.

If this is true sorry would sound 'funny'.

Asus is normally OK. And if you already tried with x 4, than it shall not be this.

Are you actually running the Radeon with default speed or did you 'tweak' it?

The thing is, this shall not be a normal Windoofs problem of the frequency, this sounds more like a directx-problem.

When you tried it on W2k, did you use directx 8 or 9?

	17-04-2004 21:52									#28
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I left the Radeon at its default speed, but have since tweaked the Direct3D settings - tried all notches/option there.

I would agree with in saying that its a DirectX-related problem. Upon my initial format/installion of Windows 2k, I went straight to the windows updates and had DX9 put on (I can't recall if Win2k comes with a DirectX already installed or not)

	17-04-2004 21:55									#29
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No, W2k doesn't come with directx pre-installed (unless done by your seller).

Just for a try: did you already tried to run with APG-disabled ?

It is under display and shall not require a reboot.

	17-04-2004 21:58									#30
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Another thing I found: originally for 9600, but maybe it helps as well.

quote: I think i found the solution Go to the c:\windows\ati technologies folder and run smartgart there......then in the options you get disable AGP WRITE, the game runs without flickering cursor, i hope that helped!