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Uncle Sparky is offline Uncle Sparky
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I joined a couple of hundred Calgarians in a pro-peace rally this afternoon. I ended up marching under the Communist Party banner (they had the bongos). Today is the first anniversary of the unprovolked American invasion of Iraq.

Hopefully others at OT will also be doing their bit to protest US imperialism.

Az asked me almost exactly one year ago to qualify my comments that the US had not won and would not win the war in Iraq. At the time I said " Ask me again next year. "

When I have more time, I'll respond.

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I've been too busy sleeping.

Though I did take a picture of yesterday's pathetic campus rally.

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Az asked me almost exactly one year ago to qualify my comments that the US had not won and would not win the war in Iraq. At the time I said " Ask me again next year. "


Yet, we've won the war. And are slowly winning the peace.

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Az asked me almost exactly one year ago to qualify my comments that the US had not won and would not win the war in Iraq. At the time I said " Ask me again next year. "


Yet, we've won the war. And are slowly winning the peace.


Hahahahahahahahahaha !!!!

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Laughing at the truth... wouldn't expect any less from a dirty commie .

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I didn't. w00t!

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I'm not a commie, though I have voted communist a couple of times.

There seemed to be a lack of NDP there, or I probably would have marched with them.

... especially if they had bongos.

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Today is the first anniversary of the unprovolked American invasion of Iraq.

"Unprovolked?" I don't remember anything about a polka.

I saw the newsclips of all the protests today and started laughing. What was the point? Congratulations you demonstrated you are against the war. Its not like we didn't already know that.

Oh, your AGAINST the war! I thought the first 212 times you said that you were just kidding. My bad, your serious, your against the war. Now that you've wasted a whole day standing outside I guess we believe you now.

I just don't see how these protests accomplished anything.

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Yet, we've won the war. And are slowly winning the peace.


Most Iraqis would appear to agree with this.

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[Ask all]
Q2 - Compared to a year ago, I mean before the war in Spring 2003, are things
overall in your life much better now, somewhat better, about the same,
somewhat worse or much worse?

Base = All respondents
%
Much better now 21.9
Somewhat better 34.6
About the same 23.3
Somewhat worse 12.7
Much worse 5.9
Difficult to say 1.6
Total 100.0


[Ask all]
Q3 - What is your expectation for how things overall in your life will be in a year
from now? Will they be much better, somewhat better, about the same,
somewhat worse or much worse?

Base = All respondents
%
Much better 36.7
Somewhat better 34.3
About the same 9.4
Somewhat worse 3.2
Much worse 3.4
Difficult to say 12.8
Total 100.0


These are from a BBC opinion poll that was released a few days ago:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/bs..._iraqsurvey.pdf

Warning: it's 27 pages of statistics. It's not all as rosy as we might hope for but it looks promising.

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Sorry can't march today. I'm busy working for imperialism. I don't entirely agreee with unprovoked. I personally think that 92 would have been the optimum time to remove Saddam. If you want to protest against imperialism why don't you protest against your mother countries imperialism. Tony Blair was at least as responsible as our President if not more for the recent war.

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These peace marches are retarded

What exactly is the point of them?

I can see the point a year ago, but NOW?

I saw alot of the people at the LA march and they were just a bunch of born again hippies in their 50s trying to relive the old days. I'm sure they make the excursion every now and then to try and rekindle the fire.

What exactly do the protesters want the Coalition to do? Leave? Brilliant.

Then what?

Look at Iraq a year from now. Things will have gotten better. Things have gotten better. And things will continue to get better. After June when power is retuned to Iraq, the acceleration of rebuilding will be more rapid.

But these peace marches are retarded.

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Cool. So you guys marching are for the imprisonment of Iraqis and for the murder of Iraqis? Just wonderful. I hope you put your heads down in shame while you march because your stupidity. "Peace" marches? How can anybody call them "peace" marches? They are pro-Saddam marches and are stupid and incidentally only protest Bush because the people protesting hate Bush. That's the only reason. None of the people in the marches give a damn about the Iraqi people.

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It's not all as rosy as we might hope for but it looks promising.


Indeed... we can't be disuaded from our mission, bow to pressure and leave before the infrastructure is in place to put Iraq on its way.

Shi Huangdi is offline Shi Huangdi
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The left want us to withdraw from Iraq now if we did at this point there would be a very strong chance of either thuggish Hussein-type Baathists or Islamic Fundamentalists would take power. Not exactly good for the Iraqi people, but it would hurt the US which seems to be the left's main goal nowadays.

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Cool. So you guys marching are for the imprisonment of Iraqis and for the murder of Iraqis? Just wonderful. I hope you put your heads down in shame while you march because your stupidity. "Peace" marches? How can anybody call them "peace" marches? They are pro-Saddam marches and are stupid and incidentally only protest Bush because the people protesting hate Bush. That's the only reason. None of the people in the marches give a damn about the Iraqi people.

Why can't they be for peace and also hate bush but not be pro-saddam. I think they are called peace marches because they are for the absence of people shooting at eachother. How come you are not over in Iraq since you're so gung-ho?

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Its a nice thought to march for peace, but

A) its too late to pull out now the sperms are already racing for the egg
2) If we were a pacifist isolationist nation the world would be worse off.

you ask how the world would be worse off? look at the years between WWI and WWII and how it lead up to the rise of Hitlers fiefdom.

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I just don't see how these protests accomplished anything.


Because persuading the US to just immediately pull out of Iraq would be such a good thing.

DUH!

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I don't know why they bothered. We are already winning.

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Why can't they be for peace and also hate bush but not be pro-saddam. I think they are called peace marches because they are for the absence of people shooting at eachother. How come you are not over in Iraq since you're so gung-ho?


Nope. They are anti-Iraqi people and pro-Saddam. They are marches for the further abuses of Saddam Hussein. That is what the pre-war marches were for and these are no different. I am not gung-ho.. I am just logical and I think logically. I am not an idiot who is for the murder of innocent Iraqi people by a vicious madman by the name of Saddam Hussein. Anybody in their right mind would be for the invasion.

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"Unprovolked?" I don't remember anything about a polka.

I saw the newsclips of all the protests today and started laughing. What was the point? Congratulations you demonstrated you are against the war. Its not like we didn't already know that.

Oh, your AGAINST the war! I thought the first 212 times you said that you were just kidding. My bad, your serious, your against the war. Now that you've wasted a whole day standing outside I guess we believe you now.

I just don't see how these protests accomplished anything.


And look at how your post is being significant to the development of civilization.

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And look at how your post is being significant to the development of civilization.


So Boris you take part in the pro-Saddam marches for the murder of more Iraqi innocents?

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And BTW, I didn't go to the protest. THEY WANTED AMERICA TO LEAVE, the f**king morons. That would only worsen things.

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So Boris you take part in the pro-Saddam marches for the murder of more Iraqi innocents?


No, I never marched for Iraq. The situation seems too complex to me to warrant a clear-cut opinion- at least, one I'd be marching for.

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It was raining today in Pittsburgh. I wonder if it washed any of the dirt off of the hippies here who went protesting.

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No, I never marched for Iraq. The situation seems too complex to me to warrant a clear-cut opinion- at least, one I'd be marching for.


I'm just trolling. Don't mind me. I also talked with a kurd today whose father and brother were killed in 97 by Saddam's security forces.

Well you are right. Lets say everybody leaves Iraq. There will be a power vacuum and a bloody civil war where tens of thousands would die. Only idiots are for withdrawing at this time.

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I'm just trolling. Don't mind me. I also talked with a kurd today whose father and brother were killed in 97 by Saddam's security forces.

Well you are right. Lets say everybody leaves Iraq. There will be a power vacuum and a bloody civil war where tens of thousands would die. Only idiots are for withdrawing at this time.

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I think you should sign up to go over and win the peace.

I agree that the situation is too complex to just up and leave. It's too complex for you to decide that these people are pro-saddam or pro-death and murder. Are there any recruitment offices near you.

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I keep hoping that if I wait long enough Uncle Sparky will eventually post a thoughtful and well balanced post.






So far I'm still waiting.

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I think you should sign up to go over and win the peace.


Could my boyfriend join the same unit?

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I agree that the situation is too complex to just up and leave. It's too complex for you to decide that these people are pro-saddam or pro-death and murder. Are there any recruitment offices near you.


I am deciding these things because those people protesting out in the streets are arrogant of the reality. Maybe you should talk with some Iraqis and see what they think. Ask them what they think about Saddam. I talked with several and they all expressed incredible anger towards those people protesting.

I don't need to go join the military, you jerk. I can express my views freely without these stupid suggestions.

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Ask them what they think about Saddam. I talked with several and they all expressed incredible anger towards those people protesting.


I didn't know Ned and OliverFA were Iraqis.

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I didn't know Ned and OliverFA were Iraqis.


I actually asked people in real life...

 
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