25-03-2004 22:11									#31
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara We don't care about the faceless dead Iraqi civilians. We care about our own. That's why using soldiers is more effective.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3253783.stm

	25-03-2004 22:21									#32
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3253783.stm

Hey, neat idea. Maybe next time they can show Bush in a mass grave holding one of the skulls

"Alas poor Yorick, I knew thee well, ..where those pesky WMDs are, I surely cannot tell..."

	25-03-2004 22:26									#33
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It's not making light of those who died, it's making light of the fact that no WMDs have been found yet.

Anyone who has a problem with this needs to lighten up.

GePap and I have different politics, but at least he has the sense to admit this is a non-story.

	25-03-2004 22:29									#34
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This thread just goes to show that most here who oppose Bush are like Pavlov's dogs and will bark at anything he does. Take a look at yourselves people. Your hatred is making you irrational.

	25-03-2004 22:30									#35
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That would be rabid dogs.

	25-03-2004 22:32									#36
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara At first I didn't really care, even thought it was a little funny. But thn I realized, it was making light of the deaths of all those people who've died. Rather unpresidential, but that's what I've come to expect from this President.

How is he making light of the deaths? Since the admin. has long since moved to the liberation notion of the war, what he is making fun of is the inability to back up a pirmary claim before the war-which is thus making fun of himself.

The only thing he can be accused of with regards to this is not being funny.

	25-03-2004 22:32									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe That would be rabid dogs.

Yeah, that would apply too. I guess I meant Pavlov's dogs if he had conditioned them to bark at Bush.

	25-03-2004 22:34									#38
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Mental picture of irrational salivating dogs = rabid dogs.

	25-03-2004 22:36									#40
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quote: Since the admin. has long since moved to the liberation notion of the war, what he is making fun of is the inability to back up a pirmary claim before the war-which is thus making fun of himself.

if this joke is some form of accepting his error on WMD's(e.g. he started a war while either lieing to the american people(he knew there were no WMD and still said so) or not knowing what he was takling about(he wasnt sure but still went ahead)) he should have the decency to (at least) not run in the next elections instead of making jokes about it.

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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia This thread just goes to show that most here who oppose Bush are like Pavlov's dogs and will bark at anything he does. Take a look at yourselves people. Your hatred is making you irrational.

Possibly, but how do you expect us to behave in the face of Bush's irrationality?

The difference is, we don't have our fingers on the nuclear button.

	25-03-2004 22:38									#42
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG if this joke is some form if accepting his error on WMD's(e.g. he started a war while either lieing to the american people(he knew there were no WMD and still said so) or not knowing what he was takling about(he wasnt sure but still went ahead)) he should have the decency to (at least) not run in the next elections instead of making jokes about it.

I don't think that's the case. He probably is just joking about the fact that the situation made him look foolish - not that the situation was his fault.

	25-03-2004 22:39									#43
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG quote: Since the admin. has long since moved to the liberation notion of the war, what he is making fun of is the inability to back up a pirmary claim before the war-which is thus making fun of himself. if this joke is some form if accepting his error on WMD's(e.g. he started a war while either lieing to the american people(he knew there were no WMD and still said so) or not knowing what he was takling about(he wasnt sure but still went ahead)) he should have the decency to (at least) not run in the next elections instead of making jokes about it.

I expect no decency from this WH. There are dozens of things for which I hate this admin. BUt I would have to make a list 10,000 things long for this even to perhaps come up. This is a non-issue. Why waste time and space discussing this?

Why not discuss the massive cuts to the section 8 subsidized housing program?

	25-03-2004 22:39									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Cruddy Possibly, but how do you expect us to behave in the face of Bush's irrationality?

He is irrational so you should be too?

quote: The difference is, we don't have our fingers on the nuclear button.

*pictures Bush fondling big red button*

	25-03-2004 22:40									#45
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Naah, He was doing his best Hans Blix impersonation.

	25-03-2004 22:40									#46
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quote: I don't think that's the case. He probably is just joking about the fact that the situation made him look foolish - not that the situation was his fault.

how was it not his fault? "sorry, american people, i was just given wrong info by our intelligence. i mean, i'm not responsible for anything, right?"

	25-03-2004 22:42									#47
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sorry, but any time i see the name Hodgekinson, even if it's talking about war dead, i can't divorce its association from lymphoma.

	25-03-2004 22:42									#48
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Some of you need to get a frickin' sense of humor!

Sure, it is stupid, but it is not offensive or inapropriate.

	25-03-2004 22:43									#49
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quote: Why not discuss the massive cuts to the section 8 subsidized housing program?

common people response: cuts on what?

it's a lot more fun to talk about bush acting like an idiot to appease voters

	25-03-2004 22:44									#50
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG how was it not his fault? "sorry, american people, i was just given wrong info by our intelligence. i mean, i'm not responsible for anything, right?"

His POV would be that the weapons were moved or still remain hidden. I'm not here to argue with you whether that's right or not, I'm just pointing out to you that that's probably the way he would see it.

	25-03-2004 22:45									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia It's not making light of those who died, it's making light of the fact that no WMDs have been found yet. Anyone who has a problem with this needs to lighten up. GePap and I have different politics, but at least he has the sense to admit this is a non-story.

I think it is an arrogant statement because Bush has never given us concrete proof that WMD existed in Iraq. He took for granted the British brief that stated WMD were in Iraq , which has since been discredited, along with vague CIA intelligence reports on Iraq, and ran with the Iraqi War before fully checking the situation out. Why? Because he had a personal agenda with Iraq that he needed to address. As someone pointed out earlier, Saddam tried to kill his father. And, no wartime president has ever failed to get reelected. The arrogant statement this morning says to the world, "I got away with my private war at your expense, and there is nothing you can do about it".

Hopefully American voters will show him what we can do about it at the polls in November.

	25-03-2004 22:49									#52
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG common people response: cuts on what?

I will indulge myself:

section 8 is a HUD run program in which the government helps low-income families find housing-landlords sign up for the program, and have the rooms they whish to include inspected so that HUD or the local agency managing the program knows it is not a hell hole. Then tennats apply to HUD to get vouchers-after a long process, if accepted the family can pick out an apartment or property within the system. The family pays 30% of their income towards rent, while the government pays the difference between the state rent and the contribution the family must make.

Due to massive cuts in the program, no one has been able to get any vouchers, at leats in NYC, for years. Now, massive cuts are planned that would mean tens of thousands of poor families wouldno longer be able to afford their housing. Here in NY, with the average rent of a sutdio being about 600 dollars a month, that means huge amounst of familes will either find illegal housing, or end up in the streets.

	25-03-2004 22:51									#53
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quote: Originally posted by bfg9000 I think it is an arrogant statement because Bush has never given us concrete proof that WMD existed in Iraq. He took for granted the British brief that stated WMD were in Iraq , which has since been discredited, along with vague CIA intelligence reports on Iraq, and ran with it the Iraqi War before fully checking the situation out. Why? Because he had a personal agenda with Iraq that he needed to address. As someone pointed out earlier, Saddam tried to kill his father. And, no wartime president has ever failed to get reelected. This arrogant statement this morning says to the world, "I got away with it my private war at your expense, and there is nothing you can do about it".

That's how you take it, but that's not how he meant it.

	25-03-2004 22:52									#54
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quote: Originally posted by bfg9000 I think it is an arrogant statement because Bush has never given us concrete proof that WMD existed in Iraq.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2590265.stm

	25-03-2004 22:53									#55
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Lighten up guys... he made that joke, I'm sure, for the sole purpose so that his biggest haters would see him in a more human light.

Wrong again...

	25-03-2004 22:55									#56
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quote: Why not discuss the massive cuts to the section 8 subsidized housing program?

Because thats not interesting enough for anyone outside the US to get their panties in a knot over.

	25-03-2004 22:57									#57
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People get thier panties in a bunch over other innane crap that does not affect thier countries either-

think of it as an arguement over the responsibility of government to do something to attempt to provide the basic needs to its citzens, like housing, or food.

	25-03-2004 23:02									#58
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quote: Originally posted by GePap People get thier panties in a bunch over other innane crap that does not affect thier countries either- think of it as an arguement over the responsibility of government to do something to attempt to provide the basic needs to its citzens, like housing, or food.

No, I agree. I'm interested in that stuff, but then again I'm an American who has lived in public housing...

	25-03-2004 23:04									#59
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quote: Originally posted by The diplomat Some of you need to get a frickin' sense of humor!

I have a sense of humor, just not one like Bush's that goes "oopsy oopsy, looks like those WMDs weren't there after, and darnit we turned thousands of people into meat paste over nothing after all."

There's a LOT of things Bush could poke fun of himself for; A false rationale that led to mass carnage and destruction is not one of them

	25-03-2004 23:06									#60
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Cujo? Cujo?

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