25-03-2004 23:19									#61
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If some democrat or anti-bush website had done a cartoon showing Bush looking under the couch and under chairs saying "Those weapons of mass destruction have got to be somewhere,", how many of you would find it funny?

	25-03-2004 23:23									#62
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Very good point.

	25-03-2004 23:27									#63
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Using satire as a criticism is nothing new, compared to belittling your own home-spun policy which led to war....

The latter is about as funny as retarded kids playing in traffic.

	25-03-2004 23:28									#64
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quote: Originally posted by The diplomat If some democrat or anti-bush website had done a cartoon showing Bush looking under the couch and under chairs saying "Those weapons of mass destruction have got to be somewhere,", how many of you would find it funny?

These days, not many. Six months ago, probably.

	25-03-2004 23:29									#65
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quote: Originally posted by The diplomat If some democrat or anti-bush website had done a cartoon showing Bush looking under the couch and under chairs saying "Those weapons of mass destruction have got to be somewhere,", how many of you would find it funny?

not the same thing

	25-03-2004 23:29									#66
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quote: The latter is about as funny as retarded kids playing in traffic.

Why you got something against those goofy little bastards?

	25-03-2004 23:45									#67
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What a piece of ****... I'm sure those 570 dead soldiers were laughing

scumbag republicans

	25-03-2004 23:51									#68
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I want to see a picture of Bush holding his finger to his lips as if to say "oops", standing in front of a nuclear wasteland. Preferably faked, but it's really only a matter of time for the real thing I'm sure...

	25-03-2004 23:55									#69
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Now if Hitler had tried a joke in which he was hunting unsuccesfully for the certificate of origin which he could not produce (in contravention of his own race laws) with some SS character standing by about to cart him off to the death camps as a result, that would have been truly tasteless.

But, you know, I somehow can't quite envision such as Hitler doing any such thing.

So I sort of like the fact that this guy has a bit of the self deprecatory about him. Whether his taste in giving expression to it is good or bad.

There may be something else to say in his favour. I have been waiting for some time now expecting him to make some further hideous and eye catching move in his "war". But in fact both he and Blair have rather seemed somewhat chastened by the situation over WMD.

If some sign of shame over the Guantanamo situation appeared I think I would start to give a sigh of relief and put the worries I have entertained down to my joining in some of the hysteria that has been going on.

	26-03-2004 00:36									#70
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quote: Originally posted by The diplomat If some democrat or anti-bush website had done a cartoon showing Bush looking under the couch and under chairs saying "Those weapons of mass destruction have got to be somewhere,", how many of you would find it funny?

And then I bet YOU would be where we're standing -- YOU would claim that WE would be being insensitive to the families of the soldiers in Iraq. Wouldn't you?

	26-03-2004 00:38									#71
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun And then I bet YOU would be where we're standing -- YOU would claim that WE would be being insensitive to the families of the soldiers in Iraq. Wouldn't you?

and don't forget... John Kerry is satan!

	26-03-2004 00:41									#72
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quote: Originally posted by East Street Trader There may be something else to say in his favour. I have been waiting for some time now expecting him to make some further hideous and eye catching move in his "war". But in fact both he and Blair have rather seemed somewhat chastened by the situation over WMD.

There was never some secret plan to attack a half dozen countries. Iraq was always sui generis - due to a legal and strategic history going back to the unfinished (in the opion of many Americans) first Gulf War.

	26-03-2004 00:58									#73
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I don't see how this was a slap in the face to the soldiers who died.

	26-03-2004 00:59									#74
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quote: Originally posted by Sava What a piece of ****... I'm sure those 570 dead soldiers were laughing scumbag republicans

I see Cujo finally showed.

	26-03-2004 01:16									#75
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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi I don't see how this was a slap in the face to the soldiers who died.

Do you think he'd be willing to make such a joke in front of the mother of a soldier who died fighting in Iraq for this very issue? Remember how we were sold a bill of goods about WMD in Iraq as justification for war? If someone had told you your loved one needed to go and fight and die for a cause that ended up being false, would you laugh at a joke made about why they fought/died? By the guy who sent them there?

It doesn't take much empathy to see why this is offensive.

	26-03-2004 01:28									#76
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Is he admitting that there were no WoMD to begin with?

Isn't it a crime to lie to Congress about war?

Can't Presidents be impeached for crime? Pretty please?

	26-03-2004 01:34									#77
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Did he get the joke?

	26-03-2004 02:53									#78
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I rather have a joking president than a lying president.

	26-03-2004 03:01									#79
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The correspondents' dinner is where you specifically are encouraged to make fun of yourself, your own foibles, and others (gently). It has been like this for decades. I seriously doubt the dems will use footage from this event, but you never know.

Case closed.

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	26-03-2004 03:11									#80
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I absolutely despise Bush's policies and everything he stands for.

But come on, you gotta appreciate a guy who has a healthy sense of humour (for an American anyway ) and isn't afraid to show it in the position he's in.

quote: Bush showed himself playing cards on Air Force One and cracked that he was on his way to an international summit and using a special deck to help him bone up on the names of the leaders he was about to meet.

I kinda like that one (Especially since he couldn't remember the name of our PM when he was visiting Bush a few weeks ago )

	26-03-2004 03:21									#81
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quote: Originally posted by DanS The correspondents' dinner is where you specifically are encouraged to make fun of yourself, your own foibles, and others (gently). It has been like this for decades. I seriously doubt the dems will use footage from this event, but you never know. Case closed.

That's nice, but the issue is not that the president made jokes about himself -- the issue is the content he used.

	26-03-2004 03:41									#82
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The "foreign leaders deck of cards" joke is okay. At least no one died when he couldn't remember the Prime Minister of...uh...Dutch...er...Dutchistan.

	26-03-2004 03:53									#83
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quote: At least no one died

You should tell our media that

Anyway, I think Bush should just've just called our PM Harry Potter like everyone else does

quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell Dutchistan.

Well, if you believe our anti-immigration party we should actually rename ourselves to that by now

	26-03-2004 04:01									#84
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Glad people aren't blowing things out of proportion.

	26-03-2004 04:15									#85
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quote: That's nice, but the issue is not that the president made jokes about himself -- the issue is the content he used.

Nothing is off limits at this annual event. Just a couple of years ago, Bill and Hillary were making jokes about Bill's philandering ways. Bill's philandering and lying ways is what led us to a rare and highly negative constitutional event.

Several presidents have flat out lied about justifications for going to war. Some of our best presidents did so. Knowing this, and believing that the worst GW Bush could realistically be accused of is exageration wrt WMDs (I don't believe he even did that, but anyway...), I don't find the subject matter at all untoward.

	26-03-2004 04:20									#86
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quote: Now if Hitler had tried a joke in which he was hunting unsuccesfully for the certificate of origin which he could not produce (in contravention of his own race laws) with some SS character standing by about to cart him off to the death camps as a result, that would have been truly tasteless.

I've just imagined it.......

	26-03-2004 04:23									#87
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At least he has some humor. His jokes won't bring back the soldiers. Stop being whining pussies.

	26-03-2004 04:28									#88
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I think Hitler never made any joke in his life. Göring was probably the only Nazi with some sense of humor. all the other Nazis must have been an annoyance to work with.

	26-03-2004 04:32									#89
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hey, i thought it was funny and im against the war in iraq.

	26-03-2004 04:40									#90
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quote: if this joke is some form of accepting his error on WMD's(e.g. he started a war while either lieing to the american people(he knew there were no WMD and still said so) or not knowing what he was takling about(he wasnt sure but still went ahead)) he should have the decency to (at least) not run in the next elections instead of making jokes about it.

mark, up till now, i thought you were a pretty smart guy

I think it is kind of ridiculous for people to whine about this. That is the problem with the world today, too many people like to sit around and B!TCH because things aren't going EXACTLY there way, or this or that wasn't given to them, or how someone owes them something because their great great great granddaddies dog's sister's cousin's owner was mistreated. We are a society of sniveling 8 yearolds throwing tempertantrums. I think we should just all go sue someone, that will make it better