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Edan
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And there you have the difference between Osama and Yassin-Osama was in the know about attacks-it is questionable Yassin was. Thus the rationale for assasinating him is weak moraly. |
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"Some analysts here suggest that the leaders' roles are actually more direct. During the 45-minute interview in Yassin's compound, for example, aides twice brought him urgent news about developments in Ramallah, and he issued clear, direct orders." |
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/a...RTICLE_ID=27224
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Hamas spiritual leader, Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, personally authorized the use of the female suicide bomber who attacked the Erez terminal crossing Wednesday, killing four Israelis. |
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1074140311992&p=1008596981749
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"Yassin was also a central Hamas authority for terrorist decision and policy making. Yassin personally authorized suicide attacks, bombing attacks and Qassam missile attacks against the State of Israel. |
http://www.4ni.co.uk/nationalnews.asp?id=27217
Last edited by Edan on 27-03-2004 at 06:24
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PLATO
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Of the occupied South
Dec 2002
time: 23:34
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Originally posted by GePap
Israel has carried out much bigger raids, and last time I checked Israel always highlights how, no matter how brutal the Jenin firefights were, most dead were gunmen, and that unlike prior statements, not many civilians died.
SORRY, but they can't have it both ways, saying something like Jenin was fine becuase look, few civilians died due to our carefulness about Palestinian casualties, than say "we could never ever go arrest him because of the great danger of so many dead". If he were killed in a gun battle (accidentaly as opposed to on purpose) then at least Israel attempted to do the right thing. |
No apology necessary. 
But you didn't answer my question, now did you?
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shawnmmcc
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Plato, that's exactly the point. If you want to cloak yourself in the mantle of a Democracy and a "civilized" country, then you belive in due process, even if it requires a trial "in absentia". Israel is, as pointed out earlier, engaged in summary executions. As an occupying power adhering to the Geneva Conventions, the raid to "justify the trial" is exactly what is required. When the bad guys do the extra-governmental executions we call it "death squads". That is the difference.
Since there is no due process, the Israeli cabinet can authorize whatever executions if FEELS are necessary. They have started down the road to Jim Crow and a form a facism/religious state. The only exception is that new secular party, whose name escapes me, may help them avoid the latter. However, ask the Bedoiun in the Negev, who helped defend Israel in the past, about their rights of citizenship and equal treatment as compared to Jewish citizens of Israel (google it and then justify whats being done). While Zionism is not racism (if it is then my little girl is mixed race, and her mommy whose skin is paler than mine isn't Caucasian - I didn't learn evolution in Kansas  ) it is highly intolerant and bigoted.
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shawnmmcc
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Azazel, the problem is that the Israeli "control" the area as much as anyone can, and the government refuses to give up the trappings of control (and the advantages, like water rights and control of the Egyptian and Jordanian borders in those areas). The wall would be a GOOD solution if it followed the pre-1968 borders (except Jerusalem, I won't even get into that) but let's be frank, it's also an extra-legal land grab, just like what's been done to many Arab and Bendoin communities that predate the founding of Israel but yet have the misfortune, of sorts, to fall within it's borders (of sorts, because they have more individual liberty than in the surrounding states, but communally they are worse off because the expropriation games played by the Israeli government).
They are a large number of well meaning Jews in Israel who fight the wrongs I've mentioned. It's not exactly healthy, I do believe you lost a Prime Minister to your own home-grown Jewish fanatics over just that issue  . However, there are just enough voters to keep the Zionist types in control. Add in the fact the Elephant everybody keeps pretending doesn't exist - Islam has a terrible history over the last half century in it's treatment of non-Moslems, and bluntly Moslem countries and populations have made very poor neighbors, being involved in around 80% of the conflicts in the last 20 years. That's why I want the US out of there, it's become the kind of conflict that Northern Ireland is, and that's simmered for roughly four centuries.
Oh, and just so you know I don't just blame the Zionists and Moslems. The West, with it's collective guilt complex over what happened in the Holocaust, rather than deal with anti-Semitism at home, happily shipped the Jews into someone elses backyard. Let's see, who have I missed? Well, most Asian, Latin American, and sub-Saharan countries don't get to own a piece of the blame for this fubar, but the are still dozens of coutries involved one way or another.
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26-03-2004 22:35
on the US veto.
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