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What level of interest do you have? (Time out:0 days after 27-03-2004, 01:42)
I will contribute my own new articles
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Jamski is offline Jamski
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Like the title says. It would be nice to gather together all the wisdom from the thousands of threads and games of SMAC/X on this forum and put it all together into a sticky for future posters to read, and for our own reference.

I propose we make a guide that assumes a basic knowledge of the game, and a certain familiarity with Vel's guide.

If people send me entries for the Guide, I can edit everything together and put it into one thread, which can then be stickied.

I'm not asking for much, basically if people want to dig up old threads and posts, and copy+paste the best bits into readable articles, I can do the rest. It will be a copy+paste marathon, but the advantage of having all this stuff together would be great.

I'm going to start by pointing some fingers.

Ogie,
Buster
Flubber,
Kody,
Method.

- you all have definitely have posted some stuff that needs to be recorded.

So... what I'm saying is who's interested in this project? It can be ongoing, but since the main effort is just finding the posts and copying them, in return for which your ideas and tactics will be recorded for ever, I'm sure somebody must be interested.

Let's make the second chapter to Vel's guide, the strategies that will make you into an elite SMAC player

-Jam

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I'm going to start by pointing some fingers.

Ogie,
Buster
Flubber,
Kody,
Method.

- you all have definitely have posted some stuff that needs to be recorded.

Let's make the second chapter to Vel's guide, the strategies that will make you into an elite SMAC player

-Jam


Hi Jamski,

at least three of the above listed people have already contributed to the SMAC Academy , which I think has the same aims as what your driving at. If you haven't checked it out, I highly recommend it. FYI.


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Ah.

This is the sort of thing I was aiming at.

Of course, being on CGN means its slightly warped ( ) but a lot of this material is really good. Too good to hide away on CGN, that's for sure

-Jam

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I'll read it!
Maybe


Ogie Oglethorpe is offline Ogie Oglethorpe
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What did you have in mind Jam?

Any particular topics, Lord knows I've blathered a bit here and there?

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Well, I was looking through some old posts, and the stuff on CGN, and I think some of the things you've posted are much more advanced than the CGN stuff, which deals with quite broad, but shallow, subjects.

I was looking for stuff with hard numerical comparisons, where its is proven, for example, that its always better to get BioGen before beelining for IA, or something of that kind.

The reason I'm asking people to chip in, is that they know better than me what they actually wrote, and perhaps where to find it.

I'm thinking about stuff like "Sikander Spacing" "Ogie's Morgan Turn-by-turn" "Speed Trancend" "B-Drones explained" "The Proper Use of Crawlers" "All specialists" "The Perfect PopBoom" - much more indepth looks at certain key areas, with concrete "This is best, this is not" arguments...

What do you say?

-Jam

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I want to know how to transcend fast with a builder, i can freakin do it quicker with Hive half the time and i know thats not good. Oh but on a sidenote i'd like to see a builder do it WITHOUT any tech trades and treaties, huge map, 30-50% water, average everything else purely because thats what happens to me half the time when i try it (my AI handling skills are : HAHAHA you're threatening me ?! look at my big guns you puny weakling ...... *AI declares vendetta*)

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I'm pretty rusty. Haven't really played well at all of late.

Mosto f the discussions now are taking the game to greater levels of discussion than I considered. Case in point some of the best rush buy decisions being buying crawlers as opposed to upgrade crawlers, that kinna thing.

I'ld be willing to give it a try but I fear I'm a bit of a has been.

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Ah, Laz could do a "How to be a Jugganaught" and explain his Hive strat in detail.

And Ogie, you'll never be a hasbeen

-Jam

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I'm all for this, Jamski. You just want entire threads or just relevant posts here and there?

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nah i can see too many faults in my own play when i actually sit down for an hour and really examine turns, to stand up and tell people this is how to play would be hypocritical.

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I'm something of a newb perhaps, but I find that most of the available strategy material tends to concentrate on the early game. Ok, the early game often moulds the outcome of the whole deal, but I'm surprised that I've never seen a serious analysis of strategy post choppers/fusion/PBs for multiplayer play. In SP fine, chop 'n' drop 'til the cows come home, but human opponents can usually be relied upon to build AAA troops, interceptors & airports in sufficient numbers to make this a painful approach for the attacker. Ok, first to PBs might just bomb everyone back to the stone-age, but what if they fail to do so before ODPs turn up (they're only ten techs away - not long if factions are sharing their research)?

Probably all this has been chewed over countless times and I've missed the posts; if so, let's paste 'em into Jamski's Vel ch. 2; if not, I'd love to see some views.

Cheers,

Starfish

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Ok, there seems to be some interest in making this, but noone wants to write for it

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You just want entire threads or just relevant posts here and there?


Both.

Either I can edit a whole thread into a kind of discussion-article, or I can use a good post on its own.

-Jam

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Ok, not enough interest it seems. I may just have to sit down and go through all these old threads myself...

It would be a shame to lose all these things because they were archived away and never read again.

-Jam

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Like Starfish said, I'm a newbie too. I'm not sure how is this done? I asked a question and it went unanswered.

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Both.

Either I can edit a whole thread into a kind of discussion-article, or I can use a good post on its own.

-Jam

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Thank you, Skanky Burns

So we just post links to this thread? Perhaps we should divide the whole project into sections based on volunteers so we don't go over the same thing ?

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I'm about to be publically lynched... but............ I've heard of it, but never read, Vel's Strategy Guide... links people? In other news, what is the highest possible percentage rating? 250%

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Ouro - try the 'At long last' thread at no. 2 in this forum - I think there are links in there.

As for the advanced guide, I'm happy to try and help, but how shall we organise it? And what shall we classify as advanced? Perhaps topics like:
Ecodamage Management
Combat post Doc Air
Tech beelining post IA
The metagame
PBEM/multiplayer strategies
...and many, many more?

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Also, does it all have to be limited to Apolyton? Can we include links from other sites?

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I'm about to be publically lynched... but............ I've heard of it, but never read, Vel's Strategy Guide... links people?


Go to:

http://www.megagames.com/megacheats...ncrossfirea.txt

Googlie

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I don't see any reason to limit our links to just Apolyton. We want the best strategy guide for ourselves to use, so if someone has some good SMAC strategy out there...

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Indeed, we can link to anything we find useful. The first link should be the one Googlie posted above. This is your "basic training" as a SMAC/X player.

-Jam

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The one Googlie posted is for SMAX. This one is for SMAC. I'm not sure if this was simply 'copied' into the Googlie's link and had SMAX information added, although? I haven't really sat down and read those yet, I admit. It's a shame I know.

http://db.gamefaqs.com/computer/dos..._centauri_b.txt

EDIT: I quickly scanned Googlie's link and it seems that there's no updates on landmarks introduced to the game via SMAX. An oversight? It doesn't make this guide any less excellent nevertheless.

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Ok Jamski, I found some threads you may be interested. Let me know if I'm doing what you're looking for...

Nessus Canyon (How to put it into a MP game)
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...=monsoon+jungle

Creating Snergy
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...=monsoon+jungle

Specialist cities
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...=monsoon+jungle

Pirates/Aquatic Factions advantages
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...=monsoon+jungle

Fungal & Tectonic Payloads Discussion
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...=monsoon+jungle

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Yep, this is looking good Nice work.

Its interesting to see how people's ideas have changed on some BIG subjects like specialists since 4-5 years ago.

-Jam

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Thanks, Jamski .

Cool, glad I'm doing something right ha.

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Those Synergy posts by Vel are mostly stuff that missed the publication date for the guide. Sweet strategy goodness (although as usual for Vel, no hard numbers)

-Jam

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I'll have to get and read those... then I might actually become a decent player... although, I will have to admit, I have come up with a few irregular strategys on my own... most of which I found lots of people use here.... Oh, you missed the first link, an early version of Vel's Guide, http://db.gamefaqs.com/computer/dos...crossfire_a.txt

 
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