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MrFun
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of Iowa
Nov 2000
time: 23:35
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Originally posted by Urban Ranger
So, what you are saying is, you will not do what your God tells you to do, even if you are convinced that it is actually God who conveyed the message to you, if that action/mission runs against your morals? Extrapolating from that, you are also convinced that any "mainstream" (whatever that means) religious people will not do such a thing? Thus, anybody who does that does that cannot be, uh, "mainstream," regardless of what that person's beliefs are? |
You really believe that mainstream Christianity, Judahism, and Islam allow for moral affirmation of killing your children if you believe God tells you to do so?
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asleepathewheel
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listening too long to one song
Mar 2002
time: 00:35
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quote:
Originally posted by alva
Hmm, why is that?
I mean, what's next, do I insult your family for not liking your family's sportsteam, or not liking lasagne while your family does? |
sports team yes, food.....maybe
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Dr Strangelove
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Any real Christian would know that God would not ask them to do such a thing. No sane Christian would ever believe that God would order such a thing. For one, the tale of Abraham's test is pretty much universally taught.
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gamenaught
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No sane Christian would ever believe that God would order such a thing. |
So only insane Christians believe the Bible?
Dt. 21:18, 21: If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother ... all the men of the city shall stone him with stones, that he die.
Numbers 31:17-18: Now, therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately.
Samuel 15:3: Now go and strike Amalek and utterly destroy all that he has, and do not spare him; but put to death both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.
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SpencerH
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Co-Ruler of my patch of land south of Birmingham Alabama
Feb 2002
time: 23:35
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for you heathens out there  (with no broadband)
The pertinent chunk of Genesis 22 (King James version)
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And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am. [1] 2 And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of. 3 And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and saddled his ass, and took two of his young men with him, and Isaac his son, and clave the wood for the burnt offering, and rose up, and went unto the place of which God had told him. 4 Then on the third day Abraham lifted up his eyes, and saw the place afar off. 5 And Abraham said unto his young men, Abide ye here with the ass; and I and the lad will go yonder and worship, and come again to you. 6 And Abraham took the wood of the burnt offering, and laid it upon Isaac his son; and he took the fire in his hand, and a knife; and they went both of them together. 7 And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here am I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but where is the lamb [2] for a burnt offering? 8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.
9 And they came to the place which God had told him of; and Abraham built an altar there, and laid the wood in order, and bound Isaac his son, and laid him on the altar upon the wood. 10 And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son. 11 And the angel of the Lord called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I. 12 And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me. 13 And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind him a ram caught in a thicket by his horns: and Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son. 14 And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovahjireh: [3] as it is said to this day, In the mount of the Lord it shall be seen. |
God stops Abraham, its just a test yuk yuk, but god does tell him to do it, and he was prepared to do so.
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