 |
| |
|
|
Whaleboy
|
 |
Please make all cheques payable to Whaleboy
Jan 2003
time: 05:35
|
|
quote:
Who is to say that that one person know's better though, that same person?
|
If that person is highly qualified, with years of relevant experience and study behind him. Let me put it this way: You have two groups of people. You have, sitting round a table, economists, sociologists, psychologists, philosophers, lawyers, historians, politicians, scientists. No more than 20 people perhaps. Then you have the contents of St. James Park on a Saturday afternoon. Who would you choose to make a critical political decision? Not that difficult really is it?
quote:
Some of them, but it doesn't matter.
|
Start reading.
quote:
Economically maybe they are socialist. But to be a communist you have to believe in the brotherhood of workers and all that.
|
Not at all. Collectivism, protectionism and cooperatives. All of which are either implied or stated in the BNP's policies.
quote:
To be nationalism is the key to my political beliefs. Am I dangerous?
|
Politically, nationalism is dangerous because is enables its advocates to appeal to a primal state, the fears and insecurities of people uneducated in these matters, and point to the flag as a banner to rally around and what not. I, as a liberal, have no such device and means of manipulation, which means that if a society is faced with a difficult time, perhaps analogous to early 1930's Europe, then the parasite of National Socialism will rise again, a phoenix from the ashes of Nuremberg. Coming from a Jewish point of view, that makes it dangerous. From sympathising with the next likely scapegoat, it makes it doubly so.
Needless to say, I know nothing about you so I'm not prepared to accuse you of being dangerous because you hold opinions that are, to the best of my estimation, merely uninformed.
|
|
| |
|
|
|
Derekrage
|
|
Newcastle Upon Tyne
May 2003
time: 05:35
|
|
quote:
If that person is highly qualified, with years of relevant experience and study behind him. Let me put it this way: You have two groups of people. You have, sitting round a table, economists, sociologists, psychologists, philosophers, lawyers, historians, politicians, scientists. No more than 20 people perhaps. Then you have the contents of St. James Park on a Saturday afternoon. Who would you choose to make a critical political decision? Not that difficult really is it? |
Depends really. The philosophers, economics etc will most likely base their opinions on statistics without any real knowledge of what is like "on the ground". That still does not take away the fact that politicians are there to represent their constituents (like it or not this is a democracy) and this is real concern for people.
I know the christian crusaders played a part in the radicalisation of Islam, with the Mamuleks and all. But to be honest I dont care about their past.
quote:
Not at all. Collectivism, protectionism and cooperatives. All of which are either implied or stated in the BNP's policies. |
I don't think you can class the BNP as communist though, I thought to be a communist you had to be athiest, be anti-property rights and be anti-imperialist.
quote:
As a group- nope. Whether you like it or not, you're politically marginalised and the chances of the BNP wielding any sort of real power are slim to the point of being non-existant. |
Not as slim as you might think, if the BNP can get some sort of breakthrough in the upcoming European elections then I think the party will expand more rapidly.
quote:
It's an underground thing which is getting bigger all the time. In Canada more and more people are immigrants and while they do like hockey (which is the big deal here) they also love football. When the World Cup is on all the ethnic communities get out in the street to celebrate (the Koreans were mental a couple of years back). |
Interesting, hopefully the North Americans will one day play football as their main sport.
|
|
| |
|
|
|
Derekrage
|
|
Newcastle Upon Tyne
May 2003
time: 05:35
|
|
quote:
I think you're over-estimating the number of people willing to watch their taxes rise while Britain turns into a stagnating little economic backwater run by scum. |
I don't think I'm underestimating the number of people that want Britain to have an independant foreign policy, a strong military and a tough justice system. And they will find that in the BNP.
|
|
| |
|
|
|
Derekrage
|
|
Newcastle Upon Tyne
May 2003
time: 05:35
|
|
Here is the official BNP stance on the economy
quote:
Globalisation, with its export of jobs to the Third World, is bringing ruin and unemployment to British industries and the communities that depend on them. Accordingly, the BNP calls for the selective exclusion of foreign-made goods from British markets and the reduction of foreign imports. We will ensure that our manufactured goods are, wherever possible, produced in British factories, employing British workers. When this is done, unemployment in this country will be brought to an end, and secure, well-paid employment will flourish, at last getting our people back to work and ending the waste and injustice of having more than 4 million people in a hidden army of the unemployed concealed by Labour’s statistical fiddles. We further believe that British industry, commerce, land and other economic and natural assets belong in the final analysis to the British nation and people. To that end we will restore our economy and land to British ownership. We also call for preference in the job market to be given to native Britons. We will take active steps to break up the socially, economically and politically damaging monopolies now being established by the supermarket giants. Finally we will seek to give British workers a stake in the success and prosperity of the enterprises whose profits their labour creates by encouraging worker shareholder and co-operative schemes. |
While I am not an economist I do not think it will lead to ruin. Say what you want about the BNP leaders but they are not stupid, if they ever do get into power they will appoint an economist to carry out their policies in an effective and secure way. If some policies will lead us into decline they will not implement them just because of idealism.
quote:
But the reason why I defend them (as opposed to supporting them) is because I think they do have some vlid points with regards immigration and the justice system. |
This is the main attraction of the BNP to ordinary people. The BNP's socialist policies might repulse conservatives and lose them votes but the BNP position on these issues attracts people from both sides of the political landscape.
|
|
| |
|
|
|
Derekrage
|
|
Newcastle Upon Tyne
May 2003
time: 05:35
|
|
quote:
Which do you think will survive, or are you happy to leave thought to others on this issue? |
Most of them will survive but they will be implemented gradually and based on the economic realities of the day.
|
|
| |
|
|
|
Derekrage
|
|
Newcastle Upon Tyne
May 2003
time: 05:35
|
|
quote:
You do realise that one you've mentioned most (preventing outsourcing to other nations) is pretty much guaranteed to be a non-starter? |
The legal system. Simply make it illegal for them to do, unless under extreme circumstances.
|
|
| |
|
|
|
Derekrage
|
|
Newcastle Upon Tyne
May 2003
time: 05:35
|
|
Lazarus - If a business can't make a profit with British workers then someone else will.
|
|
| |
|
|
|
Derekrage
|
|
Newcastle Upon Tyne
May 2003
time: 05:35
|
|
quote:
Derek, would you stop a Briton from selling something to whomever he wants to sell to? |
No, as long as it's legal then I don't think so.
|
|
| |
|
|
|
Derekrage
|
|
Newcastle Upon Tyne
May 2003
time: 05:35
|
|
quote:
OK. Would you stop a Briton buying something fom whomever he wanted? |
No as long the company he is buying from is not doing something illegal.
|
|
| |
|
|
|
Derekrage
|
|
Newcastle Upon Tyne
May 2003
time: 05:35
|
|
quote:
Right..now we've got that sorted..! Where does the protectionist instinct come from then? |
Don't know really, I just believe that british companies should use British, not foreign workers when possible.
|
|
| |
|
|
|
Caligastia
|
|
Another problem is that British jobs will be lost when foreign companies who have set up operations in Britain get upset with these kinds of restrictions and move elsewhere. Restrictions of these kinds would likely save a few British jobs at the expense of many more.
|
|
| |
|
|
|
Derekrage
|
|
Newcastle Upon Tyne
May 2003
time: 05:35
|
|
quote:
1- With existing companies, will you only let them set up operations overseas if they use British workers there? |
no
quote:
2- Would you impose the same conditions on new, start-up companies? |
If they are in Britain servicing British people then yes.
quote:
How would you deal with companies who, as they can't outsource labour, simply switch to less labour-intensive operations causing the same number of British jobs to be lost as if they'd outsourced? |
I don't think most companies would do that, afterall if they're trying to outsource the jobs in the first place instead of changing to less labour intensive operations, which would probably be cheaper, then those jobs must be worth doing.
quote:
6- If you impose all these restrictive laws on British companies, what would you do if they just flicked you the V's and moved their operations to Ireland entirely? |
I don't think these laws would be very restrictive though, all they are doing is ensuring that the British companies who are servicing Britain (like call centres) are employing British people, which is what most of them do anyway.
quote:
Another problem is that British jobs will be lost when foreign companies who have set up operations in Britain get upset with these kinds of restrictions and move elsewhere. Restrictions of these kinds would likely save a few British jobs at the expense of many more. |
Whats to get upset about? If you are servicing British people in Britain then employ British citizens, seems sensible to me.
|
|
| |
|
| |
All times are GMT. The time now is 05:35.
Apolyton Time is 00:35. |
top of page
|
| archivepost |
|
Forum Rules:
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
|
HTML code is ON
vB code is ON
Smilies are ON
[IMG] code is ON
|
|
|
|
|
|
30-04-2004 04:15
Not at all.
|