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Comrade Tassadar is offline Comrade Tassadar
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quote:
Originally posted by Giancarlo
And this is what DanS said:

"But he also seemed sincere and resolute."


Fez, when quoting out of context its best to remove anything that may indicate there was something more.
In this case you left "But". "But" is usually used like "I like this....but I don't." or "Evil! But nice".
Thus, to be true to fascist party line, you should have said

quote:
And this is what DanS said:

"He seemed sincere and resolute."

Dylan Baker is offline Dylan Baker
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Good God. Bush's aides brainwash him with those hotbuttons, and we are left listening to a blubbering vegetable.

The first reporter asked him to comment on the differences between Iraq and Vietnam. Of course, he says that the two situations couldn't be more different. Problem: the rhetorical reasons he listed for being in Iraq were precisely the reasons that LBJ and Nixon claimed for being in Vietnam.

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Very true. He dodged many questions. If he had at least said "Yes I've made mistakes, I'm human and therefore I make mistakes" I could at least respect that.


Oviously any time a president agrees to a press conference, they have an expectation, even if they don;t come out froward, that they will be able to use the time to sell thier grand message. The question is how to do it in a way that still engages the media and in the end leaves the reporters either on your side, or at least confused.

Reagan gave VERY FEW press conferences, but he was god at doing both things, specially the confusing one. BUsh the elder was OK at the first one, though dry and never came of as very likeable. Too cold. Clinton was a master at it. You gave slick willy a question, he would repeat it, rephrase it in a subtle but important way, then give an answer that was party valid to the original question, but really more pertinent to HIS new version of the question.

How could Bush have done so with the question I mentioned?

Let's try-this is my attempt:

I know there is this criticism that we don;t back down from our policies, and you know, I think that is correct-we do stick to our policies. NOw, the informaion we were given is not always fully correct, and perhaps here or there someone runs with the information we have at hand and may speak before all the facts are in, but in the end, we do stick to our policy becuase we believe it's the right policy, and now the people of Iraq ..... and whatever.

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stupid Bush... I have to wait until next week to see an all new 24 because of his stupid face.

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You people are unbelieveable.. this like reading the left wing tabloids. This is pathetic.

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YES WE ARE ALL COMMIES NOW GO AWAY

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the press should be ashamed of themselves. They don't deserve their journalism diplomas if the best they can come up with some lame question like "what was your biggest mistake?"

Congrats, you made the president of the US look foolish. Don't be proud of yourselves. There is nothing honorable or glorious in making the Prez look bad!

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YES WE ARE ALL COMMIES NOW GO AWAY


Fox News is more believeable then all of you put together.

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The press can't make the President look bad.
Only he can make himself look bad.

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I agree with Tass, Bush looked bad on his own. The press didn't have to do anything.

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You people are unbelieveable.. this like reading the left wing tabloids. This is pathetic.


Yes, I am a left-wing communist.

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A monkey on a tricycle could have made him look bad. What would be dishonorable is not doing their job.

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Yes, I am a left-wing communist.


Welcome to the party

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the press should be ashamed of themselves. They don't deserve their journalism diplomas if the best they can come up with some lame question like "what was your biggest mistake?"

Congrats, you made the president of the US look foolish. Don't be proud of yourselves. There is nothing honorable or glorious in making the Prez look bad!


As Tass said, only Bush can come out looking bad. HE set this up-he picks whom to call on, and he has the stage-and unlimited time to answer. For God sake's this is his damned press conference!

He should have know tough questions were coming-and prepared to field them, or act outraged if he felt the question was out of bounds, whatever. NO press victim can ever have more control of the situation than Bush did in his very own press conference. It was Bush's time to screw up or not.

Don't blem the press for fulfilling their role of this bargain in which the president get one full hour of free airtime in primetime.

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Christ, I try to look at things as impartially as possible and it was obvious to me that Bush looked incredibly bad tonight.

They might as well have set up a DJ up there with him, Bush was dancing around the questions so much.

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Don't blame the press for fulfilling their role of this bargain in which the president get one full hour of free airtime in primetime.


Fulfilling their role? Almost every single question was basically "when will you admit you are incompetent?","when will you apologize for being incompetent?","when will you admit you failed?" etc etc...

That's the role of the press? To attack the president? I thought the role of the press was to seek the truth?

Sure a president can look bad or look good based on how he chooses to answer questions, but the press sure did their best to make Bush look bad.

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Fulfilling their role? Almost every single question was basically "when will you admit you are incompetent?","when will you apologize for being incompetent?","when will you admit you failed?" etc etc...



NO ONE AKSED ANY OF THOSE QUESTION! So first, stop lying.

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That's the role of the press? To attack the president? I thought the role of the press was to seek the truth?


So if a press person asks: (and this was the very question): there have been criticism of your administration that you do not admit mistakes (this criticism does exits), do you think them valid? That question seeks to get the opinion of the president on a common criticism against him, which is exactly the sort of questions presidents have ALWAYS gotten at their own press conferences. You know what, Bush could have said: NO, it's not a fair criticism, if we are wrong, we amdit it, and have been done with it. That he did not answer the question is his fault.

quote:

Sure a president can look bad or look good based on how he chooses to answer questions, but the press sure did their best to make Bush look bad.


NO. The press asked hard questions, sure, they were not friendly, but the guy already has unlimited timw to answer, so why should the press simply lob him softballs? For that he might as well have Cheney asking. NO, the press goes in becuase this is the one time they get to ask him anything. Only Bush can look bad. A good president would have made himslef look the poor victim of a vendictive press. Bush didn;t even pull that one off-and again, that is his fault.

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The left here are ignorant, and only want to think Bush look bad because they hate him. That's all.

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Originally posted by Giancarlo
You people are unbelieveable.. this like reading the left wing tabloids. This is pathetic.


Name one left wing tabloid.

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God damned Agathon!

Don't engage him!

There are two people to blame any time a thread gets Fezzed-Fez, and the people who eggs him on.

STOP IT!

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Name one left wing tabloid.


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Originally posted by Giancarlo


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Oviously any time a president agrees to a press conference, they have an expectation, even if they don;t come out froward, that they will be able to use the time to sell thier grand message. The question is how to do it in a way that still engages the media and in the end leaves the reporters either on your side, or at least confused.

Reagan gave VERY FEW press conferences, but he was god at doing both things, specially the confusing one. BUsh the elder was OK at the first one, though dry and never came of as very likeable. Too cold. Clinton was a master at it. You gave slick willy a question, he would repeat it, rephrase it in a subtle but important way, then give an answer that was party valid to the original question, but really more pertinent to HIS new version of the question.

How could Bush have done so with the question I mentioned?

Let's try-this is my attempt:

I know there is this criticism that we don;t back down from our policies, and you know, I think that is correct-we do stick to our policies. NOw, the informaion we were given is not always fully correct, and perhaps here or there someone runs with the information we have at hand and may speak before all the facts are in, but in the end, we do stick to our policy becuase we believe it's the right policy, and now the people of Iraq ..... and whatever.


I was thinking the same thing as I was watching him. He just didn't give a straight answer. I suppose that's just too much to ask from any politician eh?

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God damned Agathon!

Don't engage him!

There are two people to blame any time a thread gets Fezzed-Fez, and the people who eggs him on.

STOP IT!


People need sig material.

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"I'm confident I have made mistakes"

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I was thinking the same thing as I was watching him. He just didn't give a straight answer. I suppose that's just too much to ask from any politician eh?


No one wants a straight answer. The press may find them boring to report (what's the angle?)-the Public is uncomfortable with people not playing their role (which is not supposed to be brutally honest), and the politicians have nothing to gain.

It is a question of good answers- answres that are a little informative, a little witty if you can but at least from the politician's viewpoint, and after all the president is the one who set this up, one that sells your message subtly-so people think you did answer, and you got the message accross.

Bush here was in full "sell message" mode, BUT he tried to do it without really taking into account the questions, whih is why he looked bad.

Oh, and I am confident you have made mistakes too

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Giancarlo, we all get that you like Bush, but I mean just look at the conference UNBIASEDLY.


You don't know Fez that well, do you?

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Two things:

I could have sworn he said secretary of state Rumsfeld.

And suiciders? Come on.

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Did he say whether the timetable for the re-establishment of a government in Iraq will be adhered to and whether US troops will continue in a peacekeeping role if an incoming Iraqi government so requests?

And did anyone ask him what he will do if the Ba'ath party wins the election?

 
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