14-04-2004 23:55									#31
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quote: Originally posted by obstructor Good to see that Hive is as usual.

We strive to be consistent.

Seriously, I apologize for that. I promise I will try my best to speed up the turns from now on.

	15-04-2004 00:00									#32
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quote: Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx So, How would this team take to Mercenary actions? Can you be bought, will you be bought? Should I seek my employment elsewhere...

In fact I think this is a very good idea. A small faction, never seek to dominate the entire planet. But just keep itself smart and fit. It takes up underground deals, perform things without the knowlege of the others, and in return other factions pay them to do things that they can't do, or they don't want to do. The best part is that it is utterly neutral, is no threat to anybody, and can be friend with everybody.

	15-04-2004 00:08									#33
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That's what we tried to do in PEACE...

	15-04-2004 00:09									#34
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quote: Originally posted by HongHu In fact I think this is a very good idea. A small faction, never seek to dominate the entire planet. But just keep itself smart and fit. It takes up underground deals, perform things without the knowlege of the others, and in return other factions pay them to do things that they can't do, or they don't want to do. The best part is that it is utterly neutral, is no threat to anybody, and can be friend with everybody.

Is that the final word on how this faction will play then?


edit:

Of course this post had to come from a fellow, if somewhat inactive, member of the ORIGINAL Mercenary team over on MZO...

	15-04-2004 00:14									#35
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I haven't joined yet, Tass.

Waiting confirmation of the Mercenary mottos of complete neutrality and not seeking to dominate or become a (obvious) threat.

If they skimp out on me, though, I'll be joining WIA over in the Spartans...Pending the Morganites decision to worship cash through mercenarism as well...

	15-04-2004 00:16									#36
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Why Do you have some kind of relationship with UnO tass?

	15-04-2004 00:19									#37
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quote: Originally posted by FlameFlash That's what we tried to do in PEACE...

But PEACE had not been viewed as such a team.

If we are going to play with this style, we have to make it very clear that everybody knows our intend.

	15-04-2004 00:19									#38
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What is the Jungle Gazette?

	15-04-2004 00:25									#39
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Ahh I see, thanks! Would it fit the Data Angels' theme?

	15-04-2004 00:27									#40
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quote: Originally posted by HongHu But PEACE had not been viewed as such a team. If we are going to play with this style, we have to make it very clear that everybody knows our intend.

Yeah... point taken...

	15-04-2004 00:38									#41
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Manifest of Anarchism

Btw, HongHu: thanks

	15-04-2004 00:51									#42
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I look at the Data Angels and think of Mage: the Ascension and their Virtual Adepts... I've always felt a kinship with that group even though I'm not good with technology (I use a Mac for crying out loud, I wish my family would stop calling me to fix their computers... my cousin is a computer science major)

But their 'information should be free' statement gets me hooked every time.

Boy... that was a useless tangent...

	15-04-2004 00:52									#43
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quote: Originally posted by HongHu What is the Jungle Gazette?

http://www.apolyton.net/forums/show...&threadid=81568

Tass and I ran a pretty tight ship. It was kicking ass right up till the time he decided to QUIT and come over to this demogame.

I had some replacements that took over Tass's position for a time, but eventually it ended up just me, and too many RL troubles.

Ended up with 33 issues, more or less.

At it's peak, we had 97 subscribers (emailed copies) and would net 150 hits to the thread.

	15-04-2004 01:25									#44
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Wow. It does look like a great amount of effort. Love the sheep cartoon.

How do you know how many subscribers you've got?

And if we have our little DA team, perhaps we could do a smaller digital press, where we announce the acceptance and completion of mercentary deals among other things.

	15-04-2004 01:50									#45
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quote: How do you know how many subscribers you've got?

Because they all had to send me their E-mail to be put on the distribution list. The subscribers got it E-mailed to them in an HTML email. The cartoons came some time after Tass left IIRC, Aro is actually a professional cartoonist: http://odia.ig.com.br/sites/aroeira/ and was making one for each edition.

As far as effort, THIS was far more effort: http://central.masterzen.net/index.php?showtopic=124

	15-04-2004 02:47									#46
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I am interested in being part of the Data Angels

-mellian

	15-04-2004 02:50									#47
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Woohoo, we've got another Angel!

	15-04-2004 04:09									#48
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And a Queen at that!

	15-04-2004 04:14									#49
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Well, we all become DJ's then.

And for that digital press, don't forget the more obvious successfull infiltration efforts, or even the letting loose of hidden information...

	15-04-2004 04:19									#50
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most certainly!

	15-04-2004 06:54									#51
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I'll log-on to this faction.

Maybe I'll start a vaguely militant hacker sub-faction within the Angels, the Society of Minerva or something (Societas Eruditorum references anyone?).

	15-04-2004 07:06									#52
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quote: Originally posted by FlameFlash But their 'information should be free' statement gets me hooked every time.

I like the Lal quote about information too:
As the Americans learned so painfully in Earth's final century, free flow of information is the only safeguard against tyranny. The once-chained people whose leaders at last lose their grip on information flow will soon burst with freedom and vitality, but the free nation gradually constricting its grip on public discourse has begun its rapid slide into despotism. Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master.
-- Commissioner Pravin Lal,
"U.N. Declaration of Rights"

	15-04-2004 07:17									#53
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This is looking much healthier. Some significant new potentail Angels.

quote: Waiting confirmation of the Mercenary mottos of complete neutrality and not seeking to dominate or become a (obvious) threat. If they skimp out on me, though, I'll be joining WIA over in the Spartans...Pending the Morganites decision to worship cash through mercenarism as well...

Good question ? don't have a complete answer. I don't think we will become an obvious threat. Our mercenary pedigree is well understood though but I imagine the faction might wish to discuss the 'dominate' theme if for no other reason than to insure the free flow of knowledge and information.


UnOrthOdox: elaborate further we would not want to mislead you.

	15-04-2004 08:01									#54
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I'm looking for a completely neutral team that will IDEALLY only engage in actions, military or otherwise, if they are hired to do so by another. I'm willing to bend somewhat on that point.

Also IDEALLY, they would not neccessarily be SEEKING victory, but would not complain if it found it's way to them either. Again, I am willing to bend on that since I wasn't around to propose it at the start. Stupid RL kept me away. (selling house and moving...)

It's a theme I've been working on and hope to perfect eventually through team games.

	15-04-2004 09:28									#55
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I think, unfortunately, that that would finally be decided upon after the new game is started... though if you join the Angels, that's certainly a viable option for them and would mean that others in the faction would more than likely go along with the idea.

	15-04-2004 09:46									#56
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I've been thinking this idea. An obvious drawback for SMAX to practise this concept is that you cannot gift bases to another faction. In other words, a faction cannot hire us to take an enemy base for it.

However, what we CAN do, is to provide assistant in battles, especially our specialty - probe teams. Also, we could be hired to steal techs, causing drone riots, subtage researchers, etc.

Also, we could make it a goal that we will not seek victory by conqure. If it happened that we transcended before anybody and before the end of the game, it is all good. But we will not attack anybody just for our own victory.

	15-04-2004 09:52									#57
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* FlameFlash nods.

Have to figure out how much to charge for our... 'services' too...

	15-04-2004 09:53									#58
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So, mind controlling bases for other factions is excluded then. Taking bases by force as well, except perhaps killing all defenders.

SMAX cannot gift bases to other factions? Is this only a bug for multiplayer?

And as for neutrality policy, will we limit ourselfes then as well towards the AI factions?

	15-04-2004 09:55									#59
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Yeah only a bug for multiplayer.

	15-04-2004 10:01									#60
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I think the AI will have to be an issue as we come to them... if we can easily encorporate them into our information distribution network then by all means I think we should... though making them subservient would probably be better.