20-04-2004 07:50									#1
	Is using captured weapons a cheat? Got spare money?

I'm playing my current game as Morgan, and accidently joined my continent to the Spartans a few turns after they declared war on me. Long story short, I captured a 4-1-2 rover artillery off them before having even discovered lasers. I've been concentrating on builder techs, you see.

So to improve my military situation from having only probes to having probes and attack rovers, I set my bases to build 1-1-2 rovers and upgraded them to 4-1-2's, but still well before I have discovered the tech for them. The new rover design I made using their artillery rover's design. Is this classed as cheating?

	20-04-2004 08:54									#2
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No, the Spartans deserve it for letting you capture their weapons.

	20-04-2004 09:22									#3
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I voted no.

Think of it as you bribing the Spartans to switch sides...and they give you a prototype weapon that you can manufacture, but don't know the exact details of the weaponry yet.

	20-04-2004 09:45									#4
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Yeah. Perfectly legitimate, and done IRL

	20-04-2004 11:10									#5
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It's called reverse engineering. You haven't truly understood the concept behind the design but you could copy it well enough for your needs.

Like Mister Tassadar said, it's done IRL

	20-04-2004 11:38									#6
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Please, call me Comrade

	20-04-2004 12:50									#7
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yep reverse engineering. I have no problem with it.

Just one of the many nuances of this game. There are so many ways to play. Probing the hell out of the enemy is one of those ways.

	20-04-2004 16:19									#8
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Aye, it's perfectly fine.

	20-04-2004 19:24									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar Please, call me Comrade

Heh I called you Mister on purpose From on now, it's Comrade.

	20-04-2004 20:44									#10
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Ok, I guess it isn't a cheat then.

	20-04-2004 21:10									#11
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I belive that its generaly agreed that using Planetary Networking and the Probe Team protoype (which is on a rover Chassie) to obtain and start building Rovers withough having Doc modility is considered a cheat. But this is clearly a different situation which were calling reverese enginering and seems to be acceptable to most people.

	20-04-2004 21:15									#12
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Why would it be a cheat? You captured their weapon, and now you are blindly manafacturing it.

	20-04-2004 22:53									#13
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Reverse engineering is usually considered acceptable, and it's also a design feauture and not a bug.

	20-04-2004 23:39									#14
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Maybe there ought to be a production penelty to constructing units you don't have the techs for. But I guess this was a possiblity that was not completely forseen.

	21-04-2004 00:13									#15
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do you have to prototype them or can you just build them normally?

I can't remember, I hardly use probe teams to capture units.

Although I'm thinking of starting a game as the data angels soon.

	21-04-2004 03:19									#16
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Dissident, in that case, start think of the game from probe team's persceptive And watch out for that SE probe rating setting bug.

As for captured units, I don't believe I had to prototype those.

	21-04-2004 03:31									#17
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This is the second time I see hints of a probe rate bug. Can someone briefly explain it, or post a link to an explanation?

	21-04-2004 03:34									#18
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IIRC as Data Angel, it's possible to get +7 probe rating if you have right SE settings. But the problem is that if your probe rating's higher than +3, the game automatically consider it as 0 rating.

So basically you're forced to limit yourself to SE settings that will not take you over +3 probe rating.

Unfortunately as Data Angel, you start with +2 probe and later on when you get that tech that gives you ops centre in all of your bases, you will get +4 probe.

Something like that.

I searched the forum for you (I don't mind, I come across some really interesting readings this way) and found few threads you might want to look at.

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...=&threadid=7483

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...=&threadid=7599

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=29240

Last edited by Barinthus on 21-04-2004 at 04:30