02-05-2004 16:48									#271
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intent to injure? I don't think so!

While Nieminen did do a cheap shot and was dirty, it was not THAT hard, he did brake a little before, he did not charge full on. I read the detroit free press or what ever the **** they call it and it made it sound like the was tryin to decapitate him.

Totally blown out of proportions. Now, Nieminen was a dirty bastard with that move, no doubt, but no way it was intent to injure. Look at the clip again.

Cheap dirty move? Absolutely. Suspendable offense? Absolutelyt not, or then the NHL is not being inconsistent. I'd say let them settle it in the rink, in the game 6 some Wings player like Hatcher might also mistake Nieminen for his punching bag. And then it's settled. You guys talk like you never seen goalie run over before... GO watch volley ball!

And yes code was broken, but only that he will get his ass handed to him in the next game or the next two games. No biggie.

	02-05-2004 16:56									#272
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The bump on cujo to me was obviously intentional but hardly an attempt to injure. I think the suspension was an ok call on the theory that it was a stupid thing to do and we want to send the message that it is NOT open season on goalies

	02-05-2004 16:59									#273
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postscript on the habs

a few too many major errors that cost them goals at key times . .. add that to an inability to score against tampa and a Theodore who played ok but not great and the series result was predictable

After the way Theodore came on in the Boston series, I thought he would stone Tampa but he was merely ok

	02-05-2004 16:59									#274
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Calgary
wow wow wow

This town will be going insane for game 6

	02-05-2004 17:05									#275
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Flubber, I agree with you. It was intentional. But it wasn't meant to injure.. I might agree that suspension maybe was a good call. It was only for 1 game so..

Go Flames!

	02-05-2004 18:47									#276
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There were more window-flags in cars for the Calgary Flames than there are here in Toronto.

Therefore, Calgary is clearly the better team.

Go Flames.

	03-05-2004 01:32									#277
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Leafs look like **** today.

Yzerman--broken eye socket, scrathed cornea, out indefinitely. Had over four hours of surgery last night. His vision should be okay.

	03-05-2004 01:51									#278
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That's definitely good to hear. That was an ugly thing to watch.

	03-05-2004 02:06									#279
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Sean Burke's starting the second for Philly... 1 goal on 1 shot for Toronto, but the Flyers are up 3-1 and Esche isn't playing bad, so what gives?

	03-05-2004 02:07									#280
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Make that 4-1 Philly.

	03-05-2004 02:14									#281
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5-1 Flyers. If it wasn't ugly before, it is now. Clearly the Leafs are bunch of talentless poo-lickers.

	03-05-2004 02:19									#282
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oh come on philles...

	03-05-2004 02:27									#283
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its just a matter of time

	03-05-2004 03:12									#284
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7-2 Flyers... and Primeau get his first career playoff hat trick.

	03-05-2004 03:19									#285
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Leafs are getting butchered.. just watching the game too... That second Primeaus goal was a thing of beauty, what a pass uh? Roenick went on a nice summersault hitting too

	03-05-2004 03:40									#286
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Well... if this "home team wins" trend continues, it's the leafs who'll end up with the short end of the stick.

	03-05-2004 03:41									#287
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Esche has some sort of injury-- what I heard was pretty unclear--

Burke looked great on the 1 shot he faced in two periods LOL

7-2 Philly final --- ouch

	03-05-2004 03:46									#288
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In case we needed a further sign that Donald S. Cherry is nuts, he blamed the loss on Pat Quinn wearing a pink shirt.

	03-05-2004 03:54									#289
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ya -- especially considering what Cherry was wearing LOL

Esche has an "upper body injury"--- The Flyers may say more tomorrow

	03-05-2004 04:07									#290
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quote: Originally posted by Flubber 7-2 Philly final --- ouch

hooray.

Game 6. it will end here.

	03-05-2004 04:07									#291
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So it looks like Tingkai was way off. The Flames, which he expected to get eliminated in the first round, are the strongest Canadian team in the playoffs.

The Maple Leafs, which he thought would win the playoffs in 18 games, played the worst hockey game I've seen all year.

More importantly, it proves exactly what I was saying -- "experience" in playoffs is meaningless. Clearly, Belfour is not any more consistently good than Kipper. In fact, Belfour is way worse in the playoffs than Kipper have been. Even in the games where Kipper has totally sucked, he didn't get that many goals against -- and that's without the great defense of Toronto that Tingkai harped incessantly about.

	03-05-2004 16:22									#292
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**** off Asher. Only you would compare some no name goalie on a streak with a hall of famer like Belfour. Next you'll be saying that Regehr is better than Blake.

As for the game, the Leafs were trash. Philly weren't any good. In fact I thought they were better in the last game. None of the Leafs bothered to turn up and simply gifted them the game. They'll probably lose the series now and Quinn should be sacked - he's had long enough and hasn't come up with the results.

	03-05-2004 16:49									#293
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Kipper is good. Maybe he hasn't got a big name yet, but after he wins the best goalie award, he is.

	03-05-2004 18:47									#294
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1. Still no definite word on Esche's problem, but he left the game after making an odd turn in goal. It was confirmed that he went to a neurologist, which is... interesting. Maybe a bad back.

2. FWIW
>>JUNEAU HANGS UP SKATES: Montreal Canadiens forward Joe Juneau, 36, announced his retirement from the NHL on Saturday, two days after Montreal was swept out of the playoffs by the Tampa Bay Lightning. "I know that the time for retirement has come," he said. A fourth-round pick of Boston in 1988, Juneau had 70 assists and 102 points in his rookie season of 1992-93 with the Bruins

3. The Flames had better finish it off tonight.
We need to get the Avs GONE!!
And Game 7 in Denver is not the prefered method...

	03-05-2004 22:18									#295
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quote: Originally posted by Asher So it looks like Tingkai was way off. The Flames, which he expected to get eliminated in the first round, are the strongest Canadian team in the playoffs.

You got me confused with someone else. I predicted the Flames would make the finals, but only cause I want another Canadian team fighting for the cup.

quote: Originally posted by Asher The Maple Leafs, which he thought would win the playoffs in 18 games, played the worst hockey game I've seen all year.

You don't watch many Flames games, eh.

Yeah, the Leafs played a sh!t game, but sh!t happens. That's the beauty of the NHL playoffs. Just because the Flyers won one, doesn't mean nothing if they can't win another.

quote: Originally posted by Asher More importantly, it proves exactly what I was saying -- "experience" in playoffs is meaningless.

Dude, that's where you're completely wrong. Every goalie will have a bad night, but the great goalies like Roy, Broduer and Belfour have what it takes to come back the next game and win. Then you get goalies like Theodore who collapse after one bad loss. Or Guigere who had a great playoff run and then did nothing this year.

It's easy for some kid to get on a winning streak, but the real test is how they handle adversity.

Look at the Avs. Down 3-0 and they're battling back. They haven't given up.

quote: Originally posted by Asher Clearly, Belfour is not any more consistently good than Kipper. In fact, Belfour is way worse in the playoffs than Kipper have been.

If you're gonna troll, you got to do better than that.

Belfour 2.04 gaa, .932 sv%, 3 so
Kipper 2.12 gaa, .924 sv%, 2 so

Can you say "Eddie, Eddie, Eddie!"

	03-05-2004 22:49									#296
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quote: Absolutely un*ingbelievable attitudes we're getting out of the East towards the Flames; most vividly from your usual "everything Alberta does is wrong" taint of CBC broadcasts. You know - I'd honestly say that's what it is to be Canadian during playoffs.. cheering the Leafs, Nucks or Canadiens (etc.) whether or not you even gave a damn about them during regular season

BTW, you're just getting the heat the Canucks got since the beginning of the series, being a western team and all. How many times did we see the CBC folks cheer for Calgary over Vancouver.

So while I agree that you have cause for complaint, the Canucks have more.

The way I look at it, it means that the folks from the centre of the universe consider you a threat.

	03-05-2004 23:19									#297
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quote: Originally posted by Tingkai If you're gonna troll, you got to do better than that. Belfour 2.04 gaa, .932 sv%, 3 so Kipper 2.12 gaa, .924 sv%, 2 so Can you say "Eddie, Eddie, Eddie!"

You left out the best metric -- wins.

Kipper: 7
Belfour: 6

	03-05-2004 23:35									#298
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Wins count for teams, not goalies.

	04-05-2004 00:08									#299
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quote: Originally posted by Tingkai Here's what Sh!tter: "Things like that happen in a game. It's just frustration. I don't know -- I really still don't know what happened. Niemo could have avoided him but, at the same time, I don't think it was blatant or anything like that. He's not a dirty player, we've seen that."

He also said that he DERSERVED the game suspension and that he owes the entire team when he returns, so nice selective effort - there!

quote: Things like that don't just happen. Every player knows you don't attack goaltenders. Anyone else is fair game, but not goalies. That's part of the code. And the idea that it wasn't blatant is just crap. It was a deliberate intent to injured. And it was part of a trend. When the Flames are losing, they resort to cheap shots.

oh WOW. Some back up on that trend/conspiracy/whatever, please?

You're such a *ing mindless poser I don't even know where to begin. Go back to being spoonfed your anti Alberta CBC rag reports - because Hockey isn't for you, and you're clearly not Canadian. You're a simple blender who makes absolute effort to accept whatever worrying mentality the "home" region can throw at the weak.

and take down that Leafs crest, poser. whatever their current problems, a class organization like that doesn't need it's history trivialized by some blender who thinks he can join the "fight" for the center of the Universe by forcing fanship

	04-05-2004 00:34									#300
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I never believed the thing about Canada and NHL, Canadians being trashed all the time but I've been in few forums lately (NHL team forums) and it seems like there might be some truth to it after all.. against Canadian teams that is.

But... Detroit will drop tonight... I'll be watching with pop corn and soda and laugh my butt off when Detroit starts their summer vacation and Flames advance .

Go Flames Go!