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chegitz guevara is offline chegitz guevara
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http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2...ives/index.html

As I have previously stated, the Anti-Women's movement isn't simply out to stop abortion. That is only phase 1. They are out to end access to contraception as well. The more reactionary members of this movement (such as the Promise Keepers) want to relegate women to 2nd status in their own families. Get out of the workplace and back to the kitchen. Start having babies, lots of babies. Margret Atwood must be having flashbacks about writing A Handmaid's Tale.

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While most of the proposed conscious-clause bills started out by protecting pharmacists who don't want to dispense RU-486, also known as an abortifacient, Virginia has gone so far as to consider a bill that would declare fertilization as the beginning of life. This would classify emergency contraception, the pill, the IUD and other methods of contraception that prevent a fertilized egg from implanting in the uterus as abortifacients. Pharmacists who are already exempt from having to dispense RU-486 could not be fired by the company for refusing to dispense birth control and emergency contraception under this definition.

After a pharmacist in Cincinnati was terminated for refusing to dispense the pill and emergency contraception at least 10 times during her seven years of employment at K-Mart, a conscious-clause bill was introduced in the Ohio Legislature to protect pharmacists from being disciplined. "Wider access to emergency contraception is the single most promising avenue for reducing this country's rate of unintended pregnancy," says Chrisse France, the executive director of Preterm, a nonprofit abortion clinic in Cleveland.

While pro-choice organizations and civil rights groups battle to keep contraception available, anti-abortion groups have opened another front: going after family planning funding. According to the Planned Parenthood Federation of America, just this year 12 states have introduced bills that would eliminate all family planning funding to organizations that even discuss the option of abortion or refer women to clinics that perform abortions. Last year, six states succeeded in defunding family planning: Colorado, Michigan, Nebraska, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Texas.

"The [Texas] Legislature passed a bill that attempts to take away federal funding for family planning and require any family planning clinic to suspend any abortion services," says Snooks, executive director of Planned Parenthood of North Texas. "All the Planned Parenthood affiliates in Texas had to file a lawsuit against the state and get an injunction. The court will hear testimony regarding this issue on May 3. If we lose, that would be a loss of $13 million to clinics across Texas.


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Women are inferior to men, thus, they are not entitled to any rights.

Get with the program already, Che.

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It'll never get anywhere. A small, loony minority like this will never stop Americans from using contraception.

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Women are inferior to men, thus, they are not entitled to any rights.

Get with the program already, Che.


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It'll never get anywhere. A small, loony minority like this will never stop Americans from using contraception.


That hasn't stopped them from doing other things.

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I'm against planned parenthood as well as the use of RU-486 (or as yavoon would r u 86'd?)... However, personaly freedoms, as well as corporate competitiveness, is being outlawed, and I am against that too... Damn, I'm against everything!

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It'll never get anywhere. A small, loony minority like this will never stop Americans from using contraception.


They aren't a small minority. Right-wing Christian fundies control the Republican Party. They passed a measure in Texas. We thought they wouldn't be able to restrict abortion, but they've managed to do just that. Do not make the mistake the Germans made, of thinking these people are clowns and will never succeed. If we dismiss them until they are powerful, we'll have a much harder time holding on to our rights.

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I'm against planned parenthood as well as the use of RU-486


Are you against the pill? IUDs? The Virginia bill would outlaw those. The Texas bill tried to pull all Federal funding from contraception. Abortion is just the tip of the iceberg.

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Che: People tend to dismiss the mere idea of someone preventing something or taking control of the government or a nation slipping into despotism quite vehemently until it actually happens.

For example....You see the car of your friend driving up.
"Ah! There's our friend!" You say.
"No." Your friend replies. THe car gets closer.
"No, look! Its our friend. Remember that bumper sticker? Its our friend." You reply.
"No." He says flatly. The car continues to move closer.
"See the design of the wheels? Only our friend would do that!"
"No."
And then, finally when the car arrives, you all acknowledge that it was indeed the friend.

Bad comparison, I know, but it is one nontheless.

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Are you against the pill? IUDs?


No, I am not, because that is preventing pregnancy not eliminating it.

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No, I am not, because that is preventing pregnancy not eliminating it.


Actually, what both do is prevent a fertilized egg from attaching to the uterine wall. To the anti-woman's movement, this is the same thing as eliminating a pregnancy.

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Totally ridiculous. Philistines.

The real irony, of course, is that at the same time we live in an age in which the supreme court has struck down anti-sodomy laws as unconstitutional. We live in subtly tumultuous times.

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They aren't a small minority. Right-wing Christian fundies control the Republican Party. They passed a measure in Texas. We thought they wouldn't be able to restrict abortion, but they've managed to do just that. Do not make the mistake the Germans made, of thinking these people are clowns and will never succeed. If we dismiss them until they are powerful, we'll have a much harder time holding on to our rights.


I think the vast majority of christians would be against restricting contraception. Only a few catholics seem to have hangups with it.

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Cali, majority approval for an idea/right/etc. doesn't mean anything unless people act upon it. The majority of Americans are in favor of (differeing levels) of abortion rights. That doesn't mean that the right to abortion isn't being severely restricted and in several places abolished altogether. Most Americans favor stricter gun control, we aren't getting it. Most Americans, most Christians, support the right to contraception in the U.S., but they aren't out there fighting to hold onto that right. Just the feminists fighting a long, lonely, losing struggle.

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I can see why you're upset over the measure that got passed, but I think any sweeping changes would spark a massive outcry from the American people.

We are in agreement though. I definitely think we need to be vigilant lest our conrtceptive rights be taken away.

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There's really a simple way a pharmacist can avoid dispensing RU-486. he can either not stock it or not work at a place that does. No need for a redundent law.

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Or, it could be over the counter, no prescription necessary!!!

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Take it up with the FDA.

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They aren't a small minority. Right-wing Christian fundies control the Republican Party. They passed a measure in Texas. We thought they wouldn't be able to restrict abortion, but they've managed to do just that. Do not make the mistake the Germans made, of thinking these people are clowns and will never succeed. If we dismiss them until they are powerful, we'll have a much harder time holding on to our rights.


Two very good points, Che.


There are too many moderate Republicans who try to bullsh*t themselves into thinking that the Religious Right has no influence in their party.
For instance, it seems to me that many Log Cabin Republicans justify their allegiance to the Republican party by simply denying the influence of the Religious Right. Sometimes, when I'm really angry I make the hasty comparison of gay Republicans, with kapos (Jewish concentration camp guards in World War II).

Your second point I also completely agree with. How many times in human history have people dismissed what they perceive to be a loony fringe group as non-threatening, until they finally gain true power over everyone else?

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in several places abolished altogether.
I'm going to have to call BS che.

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Take it up with the FDA.


Ok, I think they're here right now...

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There's really a simple way a pharmacist can avoid dispensing RU-486. he can either not stock it or not work at a place that does. No need for a redundent law.


Wasn't there a thread about this awhile ago, about a pharmacist not willing to stock said pills?

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I'm going to have to call BS che.


Wow... that's a phrase I've never seen in reference to che before!

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I'm going to have to call BS che.


Wow... that's a phrase I've never seen in reference to che before!
It's getting to be a disturbingly common occurance.

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Those things mentioned in the article are all abortion.

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So abortion is still legal, but they're trying to ban an abortifacient?

Either way to the measures. I don't think it's an anti-women thing though, since there are women and men on both sides of the debate, and not being able to get contraceptives harms men as well as women - it takes two to have a baby.

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yay!

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What's worse is that this probably means less funding for contraception in the third world (not that the US isn't cutting that already).

Are these people idiots? Don't they realize that the world simply cannot continue to sustain the present rate of population growth?

These people are a menace to civilization.

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There are too many moderate Republicans who try to bullsh*t themselves into thinking that the Religious Right has no influence in their party.
For instance, it seems to me that many Log Cabin Republicans justify their allegiance to the Republican party by simply denying the influence of the Religious Right. Sometimes, when I'm really angry I make the hasty comparison of gay Republicans[ bipolar edit: FEZ], with kapos (Jewish concentration camp guards in World War II).

Your second point I also completely agree with. How many times in human history have people dismissed what they perceive to be a loony fringe group as non-threatening, until they finally gain true power over everyone else?






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