23-04-2004 05:02									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Jamski Thanks guys for being so sensible and voting for the "*" options Sheesh - its great to see such wise consideration and thoughtful debate about the map that will become the scene of the next ACDG.

No need to get your panties all in a bunch Spamski. I voted for real options as well

	23-04-2004 05:21									#32
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Pretty bell curves. *whistles*

	23-04-2004 08:35									#33
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The only major disagreement I see is the size of map. Standard vs huge. Huge would mean we meet each other later, and it will give everybody more time to develop and less easy for a faction to attack another one. Standard of course means we meet earlier and the games diplomatics starts early.

	23-04-2004 11:56									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Jamski Ok, here's the debate in short. World size : Spartans want it small, Morgans want it huge, Gaians and Angels want it medium. Water : Spartans want none, Morgan wants loads, Gaians and Angels want it medium. Erosion : Morgan wants it flat (boreholes) and the others want is mountainous or rolling. Rainfall : Simple preference - makes little difference. Amount of Fungus/Worms : Gaians want abundant, everyone else wants none. So debate over. What else is there to say? Let's vote.

And those not in a faction yet? Those who have their own voices rather than choosing what their faction wants? This is no debate. This is assumption. And we all know what THAT is the mother of.

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But we have plenty of time alright, we haven't finished the last game yet. Are you suggesting we need to rush to abandon the one we have going? What IS the rush? And debate will only take days - a week, not the months you imagine. The game will not be over in two weeks, let alone less than one.

Let's sit back and think before we act on something we'll be stuck with for a long time. There is no rush, this game will not start for a while, and the world settings are the majority of what we have to do. Also, won't it take some time too to decide on any rules changes we make? How do you plan to rush that?

	23-04-2004 12:12									#35
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quote: Let's sit back and think before we act on something we'll be stuck with for a long time. There is no rush, this game will not start for a while, and the world settings are the majority of what we have to do. Also, won't it take some time too to decide on any rules changes we make? How do you plan to rush that?

Like Darsnan said - most of our debates will be influenced by the world we get. Let's not try to build the house before we get the basic foundations down.

quote: The only major disagreement I see is the size of map. Standard vs huge. Huge would mean we meet each other later, and it will give everybody more time to develop and less easy for a faction to attack another one. Standard of course means we meet earlier and the games diplomatics starts early.

Well, in that case we take the "average score" which gives us about 3.8 at the moment - between Standard and Large, but nearly at Large - so get Darsnan to make a map just a little smaller than Large - 2-3 tiles smaller say.

quote: No need to get your panties all in a bunch Spamski. I voted for real options as well

Panties unbunched But next time I make a combi-poll like this one it would be nice if people didn't vote for the "spacers" - I don't know why I didn't realise that there would be at least one

-Jam

	23-04-2004 13:25									#36
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Voted.

Huge map, rare funghus, rest medium.

	23-04-2004 17:31									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Jamski Ok, here's the debate in short. World size : Spartans want it small, Morgans want it huge, Gaians and Angels want it medium. Water : Spartans want none, Morgan wants loads, Gaians and Angels want it medium. Erosion : Morgan wants it flat (boreholes) and the others want is mountainous or rolling. Rainfall : Simple preference - makes little difference. -Jam

How do you know what each faction wants Jam? There is no debate, there is only this poll. You can`t assume for everyone.

	23-04-2004 17:35									#38
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quote: Originally posted by mart7x5 Voted. I'm gonna play Angels and I voted loads of native life. It's needed for Gaians.

* Illuminatus is grateful to Mart for his sensibility

That is the spirit!

	23-04-2004 18:59									#39
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Seriously looks like average everything is the call so far. That seems as fair as anything. (Short of tiny, no water worlds j/k )

	23-04-2004 19:49									#40
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Huge World
Water: middle setting (isn't the middle setting 50-70 though?)
Heavy Rainfall
Rolling Hills and Mindworm spills
Native Life coming out the Treehugger's ears!

	24-04-2004 14:45									#41
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quote: (isn't the middle setting 50-70 though?)

If Darsnan's making the map, we can have any settings we like.

-Jam

	24-04-2004 16:00									#42
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Unless he doesn't feel like complying. Then we are stuck.

	24-04-2004 16:17									#43
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O, I could always make an interesting map...

	24-04-2004 16:18									#44
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And give up the right to take part in the game?

	24-04-2004 16:20									#45
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I just pretend I'm POW from one or another faction...

	24-04-2004 17:19									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Jamski If Darsnan's making the map, we can have any settings we like. -Jam

Darsnan's leaning towards joining the Gaians, but it needs someone to step forward to CMN this game.

As Morgan has already over a dozen members I could withdraw and Create/MOD this one (and still have fun setting up and tracking the Morgan Shareholders Registry and Incentive Plan)

G.

	24-04-2004 17:22									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Googlie Darsnan's leaning towards joining the Gaians

He is?

Because of this post:

quote: btw I know that my name has been mentioned for setting up the next ACDG game, and am wondering if this has been decided or not yet. np either way, but if it has been decided, then if it can be posted accordingly, then I can either move on to other projects or take a more active roll in how the game is being set up.

I assumed Darsnan was interested in creating the game, and I was just about to create a poll to see if everyone was all right with it.

	24-04-2004 17:23									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Googlie Darsnan's leaning towards joining the Gaians, but it needs someone to step forward to CMN this game. G.

He is?

	24-04-2004 17:35									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Maniac I assumed Darsnan was interested in creating the game, and I was just about to create a poll to see if everyone was all right with it.

Darsnan is interested in creating this game, however HongHu has been hounding me mercilessly to join the Gaians (if she is like this in RL, then I pity her husband..... ). But I cannot simply drop the original responsibility I have signed up for, which is to create this game. And I definately do not think it is fair for Googlie to drop out of the Morganites just so I can join up.



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	24-04-2004 17:45									#50
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She did err?
And even mercilessly?

But on a more constructive note: Buster doesn't seem likely to participate in next DG. Perhaps he can find himself in the creating role?

	24-04-2004 18:40									#51
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I've e-mailed him to ask if he'd be willing

	24-04-2004 18:40									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Darsnan ...... But I cannot simply drop the original responsibility I have signed up for, which is to create this game. And I definately do not think it is fair for Googlie to drop out of the Morganites just so I can join up. D

I do not know how others would feel about it, but for me it would be ok if you Darsnan create the game and then join a faction. It might be for Roleplaying, for Diplomacy or occasional advice kinda strategies where knowledge of created map would not count. I believe you would be able to separate these things. Info like e.g. "you know, there is two tiles further a spot with mineral bonus on rocky terrain, still covered, so lets go get it" you would just keep only for yourself. I guess objectivity is not so impossible thing.

Anyway, this is only my idea, other people may feel less comfortable about it.

	24-04-2004 18:50									#53
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I think it would good for the Gaians and the ACDG if Darsnan joined the them. After designing two games for us I think he deserves some fun playing. Nor do I want to prevent Googlie from earning lots of ecs in Morgan industries, (more for the DA's, come the day when.......... ).

So let's first see if Buster wants to join one of the teams and if not then ask him if he would design the new ACDG for us.

	24-04-2004 21:47									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Hercules After designing two games for us I think he deserves some fun playing.

Actually I enjoy quite a bit designing the games that you all play. I am very good at it, take pride in it, and nothing makes me more proud than when one of my AI's hits you in new and unique ways: reading E-Mails or in-game threads about how devious and dastardly I can be in my game designs is music to my ears.....
So please don't think this is a burden or a task on me - this is my way of paying back our community for all it has taught me, and all the pleasure it has brought me over the years.


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	25-04-2004 03:40									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Googlie Darsnan's leaning towards joining the Gaians, but it needs someone to step forward to CMN this game. As Morgan has already over a dozen members I could withdraw and Create/MOD this one (and still have fun setting up and tracking the Morgan Shareholders Registry and Incentive Plan) G.

Goog, do you really want to bite something like that off again?

If so, we need to make sure you're protected this time around... have we set up anything for MOD protection yet?

It's all sounding great though, no matter who the CMN becomes...

	26-04-2004 21:43									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Darsnan Darsnan is interested in creating this game, however HongHu has been hounding me mercilessly to join the Gaians

Guilty as charged.

quote: (if she is like this in RL, then I pity her husband..... ).

No in RL I am very very soft and docile, really.

quote: But I cannot simply drop the original responsibility I have signed up for, which is to create this game. And I definately do not think it is fair for Googlie to drop out of the Morganites just so I can join up.

We understand your committment to create the game is your first priority. And I'm sure we'll enjoy your map greatly. But I also want to learn the little "tricks" you have in your sleeves as Gaians. Hopefully buster would like to do the map creating this time.

	27-04-2004 03:15									#57
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HongHu, Lord Darsnan's main "tricks" as the Gaians is to play like a cross between Roze ('Ecoterrorists cause extreme changes in SeaLevel - Treehuggers accused of rampant abduction and massacres of native life' ) and Sven ('GreenPeace stirs up trouble along neighbors' coasts - wild Spore launchers bombard artichoke fields ; Sea Monsters released to harrass shipping'). Keeps his enemies' coast guard busy and everybody's (friends' included) formers working overtime building dikes.

	27-04-2004 03:45									#58
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Looks like everything medium on a towards Large scale map, with the other slight biases easy to see.

For map size, I've simply given a number, tiny=1, small=2, med=3, large=4, huge=5, and found the average of all votes (there's 42 votes for planet size). It comes out as 3.714, so close to Large, but just under.

Looks pretty conclusive

	27-04-2004 06:26									#60
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quote: Originally posted by johndmuller HongHu, Lord Darsnan's main "tricks" as the Gaians is to play like a cross between Roze ('Ecoterrorists cause extreme changes in SeaLevel - Treehuggers accused of rampant abduction and massacres of native life' ) and Sven ('GreenPeace stirs up trouble along neighbors' coasts - wild Spore launchers bombard artichoke fields ; Sea Monsters released to harrass shipping'). Keeps his enemies' coast guard busy and everybody's (friends' included) formers working overtime building dikes.

You make me sound so evil, jdm - please, tell me more of my dastardly exploits in the name of the Gaian People!

And btw, were these first hand accounts you are referring to, or are they merely the second hand blatherings of those who may or may not have reason to embellish their tales with a certain amount of negative connotations attached - losers tend to do that, you know......


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