23-04-2004 12:04									#1
	Let's laugh at this loserish top 100 games of all time list! Support Apolyton

http://top100.ign.com/91-100.html


Civ got a respectable number in the teens, but this is simply the worst concieved list I have ever seen. Some highlights include Wolfenstein 3D and Simcity both being beaten by Virtua Tennis, a Sega Dreamcast game. Yes, I kid you not, a Dreamcast game.

	23-04-2004 12:09									#3
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Half-Life and Doom made 32 and 44, respectively. This puts them far behind Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2, which made #20, or the even higher ranked NHL '96.

	23-04-2004 12:12									#4
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...and just to show that not all these lists suck, here is a pretty good one:

http://archive.gamespy.com/articles/july01/top50index/

Doom, Half-Life, Warcraft II, and Civilization take top honors. Seems pretty fair to me.

	23-04-2004 12:19									#5
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Sorry, but a list with doom at the top isn't a very good list.

	23-04-2004 12:19									#6
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Sorry for posting a third time in a row, but I must continue my rant. 5 of their top 6 are Nintendo games. The last one is Tetris. Is that a sign of clear bias or what?

	23-04-2004 12:29									#7
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Nintendo used to be a nice company.

	23-04-2004 12:33									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar Sorry, but a list with doom at the top isn't a very good list.

Heretic! Burn him!



Actually I don't care that much about Doom. As long as it's in the top 10 or so the list is OK by me. For some reason, Doom gets most of the credit for being a "historical" game and games like Wolfenstein 3D, Dune 2, Simcity, and others which created genres are ignored. It's not as if Doom was the only game that was around in the early 1990s.

	23-04-2004 12:36									#9
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hmmm

including old atari games and current PC games is no easy challenge.

I loved pitfall. But #1? I think not.

I never played master of orioin. Very high rating. Was this game that good?

haven't played ultima underworld either.

	23-04-2004 12:37									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar Nintendo used to be a nice company.

Indeed. But 5 of 6?

Here's my idea of what would be a fair list.

1. Sid Meier's Civilization II
2. Half-Life
3. Doom
4. Warcraft II
5. Halo: Combat Evolved
6. Age of Empires
7. Simcity 2000
8. Quake
9. Colonization
10. Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri
11. Super Mario Bros. 3
12. Sid Meier's Civilization
13. Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
14. Wolfenstein 3D
15. Tetris
16. Dune 2: The Building of an Empire
17. Populous
18. Marathon
19. Deus Ex
20. Starcraft

	23-04-2004 12:37									#11
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Wolf3D created the genre, but Doom made it huge.

	23-04-2004 12:38									#12
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whoops. pitfall is #100, not #1 .

I figured #1 would be at the top. okay let me scroll down to find out what #1 is.

edit: well I can't find a link that shows the top 10. oh well.

	23-04-2004 12:40									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Jaguar Indeed. But 5 of 6? Here's my idea of what would be a fair list. 1. SMACX 2. Deus Ex Other games

	23-04-2004 12:41									#14
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quote: Wolf3D created the genre, but Doom made it huge.

Of course. But I'd argue that Doom has become a sort of token classic game for people who don't know much about early PC gaming to put high on their top __ games of all time list.

	23-04-2004 12:42									#15
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my top 10.

Baldur's Gate 2
Fallout2
Civ2
SMAC and SMACX
Xcom
Fallout
Civ3
Neverwinter Nights
Baldur's Gate
Diablo2
Master of Magic
KOTOR

	23-04-2004 12:43									#16
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It's popular to say that Doom was popular

	23-04-2004 12:43									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar 1. SMACX 2. Deus Ex Other games

That's kind of how I feel about Civ and Half-life. No game comes close to approaching those two in greatness.

	23-04-2004 12:44									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident my top 10. Baldur's Gate 2 Fallout2 Civ2 SMAC and SMACX Xcom Fallout Civ3 Neverwinter Nights Baldur's Gate Diablo2 Master of Magic KOTOR

You might as well kick the Sid Meier games off there and make that your Top 10 RPGs of all time list.

	23-04-2004 12:44									#19
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What do you see in half-life? It's just another RTS, exept you don't shoot everything...just mostly everything.

	23-04-2004 12:48									#20
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Confusing your three-letter acronyms, Tassi?

I can't really describe what I see in Half-Life as well as I can describe why I love Civ. I think that the great storytelling is part of it, and so is the way the maps were created. However, that's not really a very good explanation.

	23-04-2004 12:50									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Jaguar You might as well kick the Sid Meier games off there and make that your Top 10 RPGs of all time list.

what can I say. I only play rpg's and civ style games. and maybe a few tactical squad games.

All shooter games become boring after a few hours. I have no motivation or desire to finish them.

I have never played Doom, but I have played Doom2. I wasn't impressed. Never played half-life, but I doubt I would be impressed.

	23-04-2004 13:25									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Jaguar Confusing your three-letter acronyms, Tassi? I can't really describe what I see in Half-Life as well as I can describe why I love Civ. I think that the great storytelling is part of it, and so is the way the maps were created. However, that's not really a very good explanation.

Your right, its not
You want storytelling? Go play Deus Ex
You want great maps? Go play System Shock 2

	23-04-2004 15:14									#23
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Doom wasn't that good by modern standards, but it deserves its place high on any of these lists as the game which kickstarted a genre which now accounts for more new games than any other.

	23-04-2004 17:50									#24
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It's hard for me to argue with a list that has Super Mario Brothers perched at number 1.

	23-04-2004 22:52									#25
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Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 and NHL '94 are two games of stunning excellence, actually, and usually forgotten in lists.

	23-04-2004 22:56									#26
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All bad inclusions pale in significance to the entirely mediocre racing game WaveRace 64, incredibly enough at #33. Was this made in 1999 or something?

	24-04-2004 00:03									#27
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Tassadar, give it a rest. We all know you have no taste in games.

	24-04-2004 00:07									#28
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It's not my fault your all interested in American-style games

	24-04-2004 00:29									#29
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Americans make the best games

	24-04-2004 01:14									#30
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Hmm, this board has a shortage of psycho squaresoft fans. Not a mention of FF7...