24-04-2004 11:40									#1
	Iron Civer Tournament- Coliseum B Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

...More than just survival
More than just a flash
More than just a dotted line
More than just a dash...


Game B players:

McMeadows(Vikings) verweg at hotmail dot com
Conqueror(Russians) conqueror at mbnet dot fi
Flandrien(Carthage) kris DOT maes AT pi DOT be
Bongo(Mongols) tomruned at broadpark dot no

MC: jwala at fastmail dot fm

All games are set to:
Tiny Pangea with 70% ocean
All victory conditions except wonder
Cultural conversions and Scientific Great Leaders on
Monarch level
Climate/Temperature/Age Random
Roaming Barbarians
No culturally linked start
and for good luck;
Turn Timer fast :-)

Last edited by Rommel2D on 01-09-2004 at 09:53

	24-04-2004 11:40									#2
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I'd suggest looking over the etiquette/exploit list to make sure everyone is aware of them and agrees on the options before beginning.

In particular:
1-2a
1-3a
1-3b
should be specifically agreed to. Likewise with the possibility of combat reports.

Other items that bear repeating:
Rules
11) All players expected to make simple 'sent' post in tracking thread each turn, listing year played, except when technical problems interfere.

and
etiquette/exploits
1-3 Players shall not exchange in-game information until they are represented on each other's diplomacy screen.
3-1 Players shall dismiss all pop-ups (when allowed to) at the beginning of their turn until the 'production phase' is complete.

Last edited by Rommel2D on 26-04-2004 at 10:21

	24-04-2004 11:58									#3
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Great !

I agree with the exploit list.

	24-04-2004 12:17									#4
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Sorry Flandrien, you responded before I could finish my editing (good sign ). I'm hoping for a brief discussion on the options and finer etiquette points before starting.

	24-04-2004 14:26									#5
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I also declare my agreement on all things mentioned on etiquette/exploit list

If anyone has other things in mind that need to be agreed on before the game starts, or you dont agree with the exploit list , now is the time to speak

Let the games begin

	24-04-2004 20:41									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Rommel2D Sorry Flandrien, you responded before I could finish my editing (good sign ). I'm hoping for a brief discussion on the options and finer etiquette points before starting.

I suppose you refer to ship chaining and combat reports.
I would say yes to both.

	25-04-2004 04:51									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Flandrien I suppose you refer to ship chaining and combat reports. I would say yes to both.

Ship chains: yes to allow or yes to disallow?

I'm also referring to 1-2a, 1-3a, and1-3b, as some may have reservations about these.

If Iron Jackson and LzPrst respond with agreement, I'll send IJ the turn immediately...

	25-04-2004 10:59									#8
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Iron Jackson should get the first turn as soon as he is up and logged in.

The first two posts in this thread will be kept up-to-date with occasional information on your game.

If you want a restart, speak up before you pass your turn on.

Enjoy... :-)

	26-04-2004 02:04									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Rommel2D Ship chains: yes to allow or yes to disallow?

Ship chains are propably not that important in Pangaea game, i'd have no problem with them allowed, the use of ship chaining is very limited anyway.

My vote : i dont care either way

quote: Originally posted by Rommel2D I'm also referring to 1-2a, 1-3a, and1-3b, as some may have reservations about these.

1-2, 1-2a great rule, gives seafaring & expansionist traits some value. from me

1-3ab, no objections here. gives embassy some use.

quote: Originally posted by Rommel2D " No communication until contact is pretty standard in games I've seen, so it is the main rule."

This is something that i want to quote here too, just to be sure everyone is clear on that Had so bad experience once with people having pre-agreed research & stuff before turn one.

	26-04-2004 11:04									#10
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Bump.

Iron Jackson, Iron Jackson, wake up, wake up...

	26-04-2004 11:07									#11
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Ok, that's 24. :-( I've resent the email and PMed Iron Jackson again. I think it would be a waste to start playing turns for players already, so if I don't hear a response soon, I'll bring in one of the waiting players and regenerate the game for a fresh start.

(Flandrien, as you have the Celts, You might consider a quick trip across the border to wake IJ up. :-)

	26-04-2004 12:19									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Rommel2D Ok, that's 24. :-( I've resent the email and PMed Iron Jackson again. I think it would be a waste to start playing turns for players already, so if I don't hear a response soon, I'll bring in one of the waiting players and regenerate the game for a fresh start. (Flandrien, as you have the Celts, You might consider a quick trip across the border to wake IJ up. :-)

I mailed him too, included all links and details. Just in case he isnt getting your mails or something.

I'd say give him atleast 24h more before considering other options, cause Poly was pretty much inacessible yesterday.

	26-04-2004 16:04									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Rommel2D (Flandrien, as you have the Celts, You might consider a quick trip across the border to wake IJ up. :-)

OK, if you have his home address.

	27-04-2004 00:17									#14
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I agree with the exploit list, except ship chaining, I feel this should be allowed...
but if there is consensus among the rest I'll give in to the will of the majority.

	27-04-2004 10:31									#15
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quote: Originally posted by LzPrst I agree with the exploit list, except ship chaining, I feel this should be allowed... but if there is consensus among the rest I'll give in to the will of the majority.

You and Conqueror are fine with ship chains, so they will be allowed.

No response from IJ. Since he left no notice about leaving, I'm going to ask McMeadows to take his place. If this turns out to be a fluke emergency, I'll make IJ the #1 alternate for the B and C games.

	27-04-2004 11:33									#16
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I have accepted the invite and just read the rules. I'm ok with them. Most of the exploits I wasn't even aware of.

to Rommel and Conqueror:
Do these rules also apply to the tourney game you are playing with ADG and Predesad?

In one of my games I met someone who was quite far away from me. We agreed (early game) to exchange techs for the time being. Is this allowed? Even if we are making sure we do not research the same tech at the same time? It's getting borderline, I know. We didn't establish embassies.

	27-04-2004 12:02									#17
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Game regenerated and sent to McMeadows. He has almost the same availability as IJ had- mornings and evenings- so I put him in the same spot. Hopefully this will make for more than a turn a day pace.

The information at the top of this thread has been updated, but I still need email addresses from Flandrien and LzPrst. My apologies if I lost them in this pile of information I've accumulated for the tourney...

McM: I think the exploit/etiquette list is a good code of honor to follow in general, but nothing like it was agreed to in the other tournament. Technically, anything goes there. Of course, I doubt anyone will violate the major exploits.

As far as this game goes, you should not discuss any technology you have not already discovered, even the ones you are currently researching, unless you have an embassy with the other person. I think this is the clearest line that can be drawn on the matter.

	27-04-2004 12:17									#18
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clear and sound...
Received my turn and will play it in 10 hours.

	27-04-2004 23:00									#19
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Worked a little more today. Played the 3950 BC (?) turn sent to me by Rommel and sent on to Conqueroor.
Good luck all, let's hope for a quick and fun game...

	27-04-2004 23:22									#20
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hm. do you have my address correct ?

i have not received your mail yet.

conqueror AT mbnet DOT fi

/edit: still nothing also sent this with PM and mail to McMeadows

Last edited by Conqueror on 27-04-2004 at 23:36

	27-04-2004 23:45									#21
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Um.

No mail from McMeadows yet.

However - now IRON JACKSON sent me mail saying he just got home and played his turn

What to do now ? I'm confused. Rommel2D can use his admin powers and say if McMeadows plays or what do we do.

Technically Iron Jackson was replaced already.

So, i'll play McMeadows's turn if i have it in few hours, otherwise i'll go 2 sleep and see in the morning whats going on.

	28-04-2004 00:49									#22
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OK. Rommel cleared me to continue play with McMeadows turn. Iron Jackson himself mailed me too, and said its okay, he was late, so he doesnt have any bad feelings about being replaced (or so i understood it).

If only the McMeadows turn would appear to my mailbox

	28-04-2004 02:52									#23
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I had the correct e-mail addres, allready from the tourney game where I played a few turns for ADG and sent my played turns to you (Conqueror) as well, without problems.
Now I got this:

This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification.

Delivery to the following recipients failed.

conqueror@


Tuesday's and friday's I'm playing sports in the evening. That's why I didn't respond. I resent the save to both addresses you gave me and if you still don't have it in the morning, please let me know, and I'll use another e-mail address to send it from.

	28-04-2004 03:59									#24
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Mails arrived ok to both addresses from your 2nd try. Must have been some internet hiccup.

True Iron Civer checks the mail in the middle of the night too while letting the cat out

So, 3950 BC sent to Flandrien. Good Luck everyone. Now back to

	29-04-2004 01:17									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Conqueror True Iron Civer checks the mail in the middle of the night too while letting the cat out

I got your turn at 1 AM.
Since I don't have a cat, I didn't get up.

Besides, I need an e-mail address to send my turn to.

	29-04-2004 01:56									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Flandrien Besides, I need an e-mail address to send my turn to.

I PM'd him to tell us his mail address ASAP.

	29-04-2004 09:40									#27
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Ok, I've mined it from another tracker thread:
lzprst at hotmail dot com

BTW if there's ever any doubt, don't hesitate to post the turn in the thread here. You can always edit it out the next turn.

Now, as long as LzPrst can find the time to play...

	29-04-2004 23:37									#28
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Flandrien, did you send? I can't get the game moving unless I know where the hold-up is at.

It looks likd LzPrst is on a 3-day unannounced LOA. Assuming he doesn't appear it looks like another restart. I offered IJ alternate status after he responded late the first time, but he didn't reply to me at all. Krill from the replacement pool has been active in other threads, I'm inclined to think he would be most reliable in the long run. Let's see if any of them are following this thread and want to play...

	29-04-2004 23:43									#29
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I'll play for you, but short term is a no-no. I leave tomorrow night since i am away for the bank holiday, and I'll be back ~5pm UK time Tuesday.

Last edited by Krill on 30-04-2004 at 00:00

	29-04-2004 23:56									#30
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Argh. not another restart Would suite me fine since i'm not a huge fan of Russian civ, but it was painful enough to get the game to this point.

Maybe someone who will come to replace could use LzPrst password ?
Unless ofcourse LzPrst start is middle of tundra and the replacement wants to call a restart.