06-05-2004 21:38									#211
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Drake: True. But Wolfowitz is a policy wonk. You couldn't pin anything on him..

	06-05-2004 21:42									#212
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quote: You couldn't pin anything on him..

True, as the ultra-liberals found out when they tried to portray Wolfie as the ringleader of some neo-con cabal.

Rummy is screwed.

	06-05-2004 21:48									#213
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quote: But don't worry-Bush won't fire Rummy, and Rummy does not seem the type to fall on swords for anyone.

	06-05-2004 21:50									#214
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If Rummy isn't going, what do you think the odds are the general in charge of the prison will face real punishment?

	06-05-2004 21:50									#215
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quote: But don't worry-Bush won't fire Rummy, and Rummy does not seem the type to fall on swords for anyone.

Who said that?

	06-05-2004 21:51									#216
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MrFun.

	06-05-2004 21:52									#217
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what???

	06-05-2004 21:52									#218
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The WH, IIRC.

Rummy already got a public reprimand, which from this admin. is a huge slap. BUt getting rid of him?

Chairman Myers would be a good pic-he goes on TV to say he had not yet seen the report? Hello!

	06-05-2004 21:52									#219
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc MrFun.

I got it.

	06-05-2004 21:53									#220
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun what???

Sorry. People quoting themselves confused me.

	06-05-2004 21:55									#221
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You are so easy to confuse.

	06-05-2004 21:56									#222
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Bastard.

	06-05-2004 21:57									#223
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Don't talk about Rummy that way!

	06-05-2004 22:18									#224
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Rummy is safe and sound. Sacking Rummy would be akin to Bush apologizing. It's just not done.

	06-05-2004 23:03									#225
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov I got it.

So enlighten the rest of us.

	06-05-2004 23:12									#226
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quote: Originally posted by East Street Trader No doubt Che will tell me that one law for the rich and another for the poor is nothing very new.

Leave me outta this.

	06-05-2004 23:37									#227
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun So enlighten the rest of us.

DD said:

quote: Sorry. People quoting themselves confused me.

	06-05-2004 23:59									#228
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So then Boris thought there was a joke when there was none?


ok

	07-05-2004 00:03									#229
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun So then Boris thought there was a joke when there was none?

No joke. Just a backhanded insult to people that quote themselves as if they've made a new or interesting point that should be forced on the rest of us.

	07-05-2004 00:04									#230
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Ah -- I see. When was the last time I quoted myself? Last month?

	07-05-2004 00:05									#231
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse Oh good - that's me off the hook then

I thought you were just a sorry-assed reserve LT or something? That'd be company grade. We do use them as scapegoats on occasion, like Bill Calley.

	07-05-2004 00:06									#232
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Be honored Fun, you've inspired a new euphamism. Doing a MrFun, wherein you feel the need to requote earlier points as they are otherwise ignored.

	07-05-2004 00:08									#233
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Wow -- I do feel so honored.

	07-05-2004 00:09									#234
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quote: Originally posted by Oncle Boris MtG, there is no such thing as a legitimate question to a POW other than: name, rank, number. That's it.

That's when you determine they're POWs, and what happens in the real world is a bit different. "Legitimacy" is defined by tactical need.

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quote: Originally posted by GePap The WH, IIRC. Rummy already got a public reprimand, which from this admin. is a huge slap. BUt getting rid of him? Chairman Myers would be a good pic-he goes on TV to say he had not yet seen the report? Hello!

Myers should go on the general principal that I don't think the Chairman and Vice-Chairman of JCS should be anything other than Army and USMC, but Myers and JCS are not a part of the chain of command, and wouldn't routinely receive this type of theater command or investigative report unless it was directed to them from the office of the SecDef or the President.

Rummy is a political appointee, so getting rid of him or not is a political move, not a fix to the real problem. Senior officers need to be relieved and separated from service, or imprisoned and dishonorably discharged, depending on their degree of culpability. Only real and direct judicial action on those in real authority will assure that the message gets across.

	07-05-2004 00:16									#236
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quote: Originally posted by DanS I like Rummy too. He has done a lot of good work over the last 3 years.

You mean like keeping the Army too small to reasonably accomplish all the missions it is now tasked with, while promoting funding for more of the usual techno-pie-in-the-sky?

Or failing to force the USMC to update it's casualty prone doctrine significantly from the days of "Remember the Mayaguez?"

That good work?

	07-05-2004 03:12									#237
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I was thinking about this. My grandfather spent 5 years in a German POW camp and he never saw any beatings or anything like this.

I guess the Germans saved that for their other camps.

	07-05-2004 04:40									#238
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat That's when you determine they're POWs, and what happens in the real world is a bit different. "Legitimacy" is defined by tactical need.

So they're not POWs?

Funny definition. Is there anyone who isn't an unlawful warrior according to American standards?

	07-05-2004 04:48									#239
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quote: Originally posted by Oncle Boris So they're not POWs? Funny definition. Is there anyone who isn't an unlawful warrior according to American standards?

I didn't say they were or weren't. IIRC, some are non-combat prisoners, such as looters, thieves, etc., some are POW's, some are Baath Party types, etc. who may be under one status or another.

I was refering to the situation when you immediately take a prisoner in the field, and at that point, their status is undetermined. Reality is that you'll question them about who they're with, in what force, etc., or whatever other useful info you need to know at the moment. Then they get sent down the line and processed as prisoners, and the rules are a bit different once you have them in real custody.

	07-05-2004 04:51									#240
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Where are you heading to? Do you think that the Convention allows torture just to determine the status of a prisoner?