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Jamski is offline Jamski
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I'd prefer it if you didn't post the full ADP for each fight. Some of us like to keep this stuff secret.

Orders enroute anyway

-Jam

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I'd prefer it if you didn't post the full ADP for each fight. Some of us like to keep this stuff secret.


Sorry, big mistake . Familiarity breeds contempt, or something like that... I've taken them away now, but if anyone who saw thinks they can't manage to forget them, then I guess I should probably put them back for the sake of fairness. I welcome opinions on the subject...

Apologies again .

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No, I did not see it, and I do not want to. I would also prefer that it never be known, that is my strat that you posted, hence if my strat is known, then I do not have one, you know, sort of like the AI in Civ3.

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No, I did not see it, and I do not want to. I would also prefer that it never be known, that is my strat that you posted, hence if my strat is known, then I do not have one, you know, sort of like the AI in Civ3.


I entirely agree with you SC, but whats done is done. All of our stats were there and it was far from ideal. I personnaly did see them, and sent a PM straight away, but I cannot remember what the orders were. It's not an ideal situation, but our GM has apologised and presumably it won't happen again.

Orders sent.

Spaced Cowboy is offline Spaced Cowboy
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No harm, no foul. I was trying to say that I do not want it reposted for those who missed it. AKA me for instance.

J Bytheway is offline J Bytheway
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I think, of all the ways I could have screwed up, that was probably the worst, and I feel like a complete fool .

I can only apologize again, and unless someone else has a better idea I think I agree with SC and Chaunk and will leave things as they are. The best resolution is that anyone who saw goes away for a few hours to forget before submitting their orders.

I'd like to thank Chaunk for informing me so promptly - I just wish I'd still been here to be informed.

In summary, you couldn't be kicking me as much as I'm kicking myself right now...

Jamski is offline Jamski
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Don't worry I had a quick look, but nothing stuck. I was going to make notes later...

-Jam

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Don't worry I had a quick look, but nothing stuck. I was going to make notes later...

-Jam


Plus Jamski needs all the help he can get anyway. I was thinking of just sending my orders to him and JB

Jamski is offline Jamski
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I expect to lose anyway. I'm surprised you don't get sick of beating me

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I expect to lose anyway. I'm surprised you don't get sick of beating me

-Jam


Come on J, every dog has his day.

Jamski is offline Jamski
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Nah, no worries mate I don't mind losing per se, just it would make a refreshing change to win something...

-Jam

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Orders sent.

Since I put the only 0-fer on the board in the first battle, time to try something different...and probably get beat worse.

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Did you post the orders mid contest? Tut tut.

Hehe the basic structures can often be discerned anyway, and one should mix 'em up anyway. Still I think the point has already been made not to post them mid-tourney, if at all.

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Anyway, you don't want to see me wallowing in self-despair, so I'll try to cheer up now .

Still awaiting orders from Hercules Romani, Theben, the Doctor, Spacius Maximus and Smasher.

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Well, I've made a macro for the spreadsheet to hide the correct columns, so I should be able to avoid another similar mistake even if I'm half-asleep at the time .

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Well, I've made a macro for the spreadsheet to hide the correct columns, so I should be able to avoid another similar mistake even if I'm half-asleep at the time .

I just hide the columns

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Orders sent.

Me smashem some more.

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Hehe the basic structures can often be discerned anyway, and one should mix 'em up anyway. Still I think the point has already been made not to post them mid-tourney, if at all.


Pretty much. It depends on the results. FE:

code:
W Ar Damage HP Left Win Draw 3 9 11 9 100 1 0 Theben 9 11 43 71 Vs 9 11 44 42 4 20 0 0 91 0 0 The Doctor 20 0 29 48 20 0 29 4 6 9 11 0 100 1 0 Chaunk 9 11 0 100 Vs 9 11 15 100 7 15 5 0 100 0 0 Spacius Maximus 15 5 0 100 15 5 0 85


In the battle between the Doctor and myself, we both know that any hit is +9 damage due to the difference in weapons and armor. So obviously I put 0 into power the 1st round, then 34 & 35 the next two. The Doc also didn't hit me the 1st round so I put at least 5 pts. into def then, for a total of 74 pts. That leaves 26 left, and since I didn't put any into power the 1st round, he would likely assume that I put those pts. into attack on the rounds I had heavy power. Likewise he didn't hit me the 1st round, but hit me for 29 on the next two. So I know that 40 pts. in power, and based on past experience (and personal knowledge of my defense) I'd guess that he put 30 pts. into attack and 20 into power in the 2nd and 3rd swings.

In the latter all I can guess is that Chaunk did something to the effect of a block, block, hack, and that he put 11 pts. into power on the 3rd swing. Since Spacius didn't hit, all I can assume is that he put a considerable amount into defense since with his low armor he was only hit once. Prolly a high defence chip, chip, chip or a badly timed hack/block combo.


What I do wonder is that we don't know what our opponents do, espec since we are fighting them. Do they use fanciful fighting styles, or just swing away (high/low attack)? Are they probing defences, or putting all thier strength into a swing (low/high power)? This is common knowledge in the semis/finals, but can anyone give a good reason why we don't know in the round robin (other than it's a lot of work for the GM)?

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I just hide the columns


So do I, however, that time I hid the wrong columns . I guess it's more confusing than I expected having all the column headings which look pretty much the same (W, Ar, At, D, P, Att, Def, Pow, etc. Too many 'A's, or something...).

Do you mind if I post a copy of the revised spreadsheet?

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What I do wonder is that we don't know what our opponents do, espec since we are fighting them. Do they use fanciful fighting styles, or just swing away (high/low attack)? Are they probing defences, or putting all thier strength into a swing (low/high power)? This is common knowledge in the semis/finals, but can anyone give a good reason why we don't know in the round robin (other than it's a lot of work for the GM)?


Well, and in-game reason might be that you're all very good at feinting, or perhaps you're being put through so many combats in quick succession that you just lose track of what was involved in any one of them. Also, although you should know what your opponents do, the other players shouldn't know so easily. Another out-of-game reason (besides the workload) is that it means that the round-robin tests different skills from the knockout, which increases the chances of a suprise result in the later rounds, and gives those who came in 3rd/4th place more hope for victory.

Still awaiting orders from Hercules Romani, Theben and the Doctor.

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I'll send this afternoon.......I think I have a window then.

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If I don't send soon, it will be in about 6+ hours. I need my beauty sleep, and I'm sure you wouldn't want me to make bad decisions due to lack of sleep?

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But bad decisions are more entertaining.

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I've always said Skanky is an entertaining poster.

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Do you mind if I post a copy of the revised spreadsheet?

Feel free

J Bytheway is offline J Bytheway
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OK, here's the spreadsheet for you to play around in.

(Also: any future GM who happens to be reading this thread, feel free to grab it for your use.)

Now, I hope I really did delete the ADP values from this copy :crossed fingers:.

All possible pairs of contestants are listed here, because I need to keep a record of all of them, but if you're considering a single battle it's probably easier to edit the numbers above the names in just the first one listed and that should load the name and weapon/armour values for that player into the table.

I deleted the macros in the hope of removing the warning message on startup but it still seems to be there... Choosing enable or disable should make no difference.

Attachment: gladiator calc.rar
This has been downloaded 2 time(s).

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I suggest freezing the panes on row 16/17 so as to still be able to view the column headings when entering ADP values in the lower section...

You need to remove the module to get rid of the macro message.

And you're right, some of those formulae are fairly horrible, but then it works and thats always prefeable to an elegant solution that falls over

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They're made anyway, for better or worse.

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Sorry guys, I thought I had more time today, but I have a unexpected plan for this evening (by which I mean one made by my better half that I had forgotten about until reminded just now. )

Tomorrow afternoon guranteed, or you can all behead me.

 
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