06-05-2004 02:05									#1
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1280 AD


Thank you if you wish to attend. It will be hosted, as usual, on the Apolyton chat, on the #civ3dem channel.

The agenda is
1. the research on military tradition, (results of the poll)
2. Preparing a defense from a potential invasion (discussion thread)
3. Trying to make peace with our enemies
4. Dramatically rasing our science investments (Discussion thread)
5. Trade wines with the British (discussion thread)
6. Manage our cities to avoid unhappiness, and continue the building orders.

I hope some people will pop in

	06-05-2004 03:29									#2
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1280 AD

1. Diplomacy
1.1 Bought wine from England - we pay 24 gpt
1.2 The Romans refused to acknowledge our envoy
1.3 The French refused to acknowledge our envoy
1.4 Peace treaty signed with the Celts - they pay 2 gpt
1.5 Sold Gems to the Celts - they pay 10 gpt. Celts' opinion of us has improved, as they are now only annoyed.
1.6 Greece refused to acknoledge our envoy
1.7 America refused to acknowledge our envoy
1.8 Japan refused to acknowledge our envoy
1.9 Korea refused to acknowledge our envoy
1.10 Spain refused to acknowledge our envoy
1.11 Signed a MPP with Babylon

2. City Management
2.1 WF in new Asgard: +1 grassland, +1 scientist, -2 entertainers
2.2 WF in Valhalla: +1 sea tile, +1 scientist, -1 entertainer, -1 taxman
2.3 WF in Thor's Hammer: +1 sea tile, +1 scientist, -1 entertainer, -1 taxman
2.4 WF in Ring of Vikings: +1 hill, +1 mountain, -2 entertainers
2.5 WF in Spanish are Greedy: +1 sea tile worked, +1 scientist, -2 entertainers
2.6 WF in Bifrost: +1 mountain, +1 scientist, -1 sea (no harbour), -1 entertainer
2.7 WF in Field of Gold: +1 sea (no harbour), -1 entertainer
2.8 WF in Hot House: +1 grassland, -1 entertainer
2.9 WF in Raiding Base: +1 sea, +2 scientists, 61 taxman, -1 entertainer
2.10 WF in Birka: +2 mountains, -1 taxman, -1 entertainer
2.11 WF in BigFurryCity: +1 grassland, -1 entertainer
2.12 WF in PalaceOfIceAndSnow: +1 sea, -1 entertainer
2.13 WF in Kalgoorlie: +2 scientists, -2 taxman
2.14 WF in Thor Was Here: +1 sea, -1 entertainer
2.15 WF in Pithom: +1 sea, -1 plains
2.16 WF in Penguins's Revenge: +3 sea tiles, +1 scientist, -4 grasslands
2.17 Production changed in Penguin's revenge. Now producing Courthouse.
2.18 WF in Beowolf: +2 sea tiles, -2 grasslands
2.19 WF in Polar Bear Club: +1 sea (fish), -1 mountain (gems)

3. Unit moves
3.1 Sigur Berzerker attacks Barbarian S-SW of Busiris. Victory is ours. Sigur has lost 0 HP.
3.2 The Big Free Galley goes to Spanish Are Greedy
3.3 Ormen Lange Galley goes to Raiding Base
3.4 Tordenskjold Caravel and Old Number Seven Galley go to Fields of Gold. Fortify
3.5 The 13th Guard pikeman embarks on Madrid Express caravel
3.6 The Edge, the Wild Women Of The North, and Madrid Express caravels go SW of Penguin's Revenge.
3.7 Thor's Sickle Galley stays in place
3.8 Two Swordsmen and one Spearman fortify in New Asgard
3.9 The stack of Berzerkers near Spiffor Burg moves E-NE-NE

4. Workers
4.1 Worker Stack near Togas Town (6 slaves) road the mountains they were on
4.2 CANCEL ORDERS of worker stack irrigating on a mined Grassland near New Asgard. We'll need as many shields as possible if we want this university built as soon as possible, and we have already reached our max population.
4.3 CANCEL ORDERS of the Slave Irrigating rear Thor's Hammer on a mined grassland. The city is already in excess food, and shields are direly needed there.
4.4 Sent these two workers + one slave SW of Thor's Hammer.
4.5 Worker stack near New Asgard sent NW-NW of New Asgard, awaiting Roman bombings for reparation

5. Science
5.1 Increase science spending to 40% - we will now research Military Tradition in 15 turns, and make 11 gpt

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	06-05-2004 03:39									#3
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Between the turns - 1280 AD to 1285 AD

- Babylonian ironclads leave our territorial waters, head north
- Spanish and Roman bombing runs destroy the improvements NE-NE of New Asgard (where workers are located), and N of Build more Boats.
- Order restored in every city but Raiding Base (I can't believe I have let this one slip )

Here's the beginning of 1285 AD

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	06-05-2004 04:37									#4
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1285 AD

1. Diplomacy
1.1 The Americans refused to acknowledge our envoy
1.2 The Greeks refused to acknowledge our envoy
1.3 The Romans refused to acknowledge our envoy
1.4 The French refused to acknowledge our envoy
1.5 The Spanish refused to acknowledge our envoy
1.6 The Japanese refused to acknowledge our envoy
1.7 Peace talks with the Koreans. They'll accept peace for 279 gold + our world map. Rejected as per the poll.
1.8 Built an embassy in Entremont (click here for screenshot)
1.9 Right of Passage signed with Russia
1.10 Right of Passage signed with Celts

2. City Management
2.1 WF in Raiding Base: +1 entertainer, -1 scientist
2.2 WF in Thor's Hammer: +1 hill, +1 mountain, -2 grassland. University complete in 20 turns
2.3 WF in Spanish are Greedy: +1 desert, -1 sea
2.4 WF in BigFurryCity: +1 mined grassland, -1 irrigated grassland
2.5 WF in HotHouse: +1 irrigated grassland, -1 mined grassland
2.6 Changed production in Birka from Library to Courthouse
2.7 Changed production in Beowolf from Library to Courthouse
2.8 WF in Togas Town: +1 Sea, -1 Mountain
2.9 WF in Vadso: +1 sea (no harbour), -1 Mountain
2.10 Started building Forbidden Palace in BigFurryCity - FP complete in 36 turns. It replaces a library contruction.

3. Unit moves
3.1 The Berzerker stack SW-SW of Birka starts moving to the hill W of New Asgard
3.2 Sharp Eyes scout has been disbanded in Beowolf. 2 shields added.
3.3 Sigur Berzerk embarks on Thor's Sickle caravel
3.4 Thor's Sickle caravel heads NW-NW of Beowolf - arrival in 2 turns
3.5 The Edge, the Wild Women Of The North, and Madrid Express caravels go NW-NW of Beowolf
3.6 They disembark 5 berzerkers and 3 pikemen on tile further north
3.7 Tordenskjold Caravel and Old Number Seven Galley go to Spanish are greedy. Fortify
3.8 Ormen Lange galley fortifies in Raising Base

4. Worker jobs
4.1 Two workers arrive SW of Thor's Hammer
4.2 One worker S of Vadso goes N of Build More Boats - arrival in two turns
4.3 The remaining 6 slaves build a road
4.4 Two workers go E of Thor's Hammer
4.5 The slave SW of Thor's Hammer starts mining the tile
4.6 One worker and one slave SW of Vadso go N of Build More Boats. Arrival next turn.

We will discover Military Tradition in 15 turns. We make +10 gpt

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	06-05-2004 04:49									#5
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Between the Turns - 1285 AD to 1290 AD

Korea and Babylon have signed an alliance against us.
Babylon declares war on us
The Romans manage to destroy our tile improvements W of Build More Boats.
Order restored in Raiding Party
Population growth in Busisris
Population growth in Vadso

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	06-05-2004 05:25									#6
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1290 AD

1. Diplomacy
1.1 The Babylonians refuse to acknowledge our envoy
1.2 The Greeks refuse to acknowledge our envoy
1.3 The Romans refuse to acknowledge our envoy
1.4 The Japanese refuse to acknowledge our envoy
1.5 The Americans refuse to acknowledge our envoy
1.6 The French refuse to acknowledge our envoy
1.7 Peace signed with Korea - we make 18 gpt, but we embargo the Russians. Korea upgrades its attitude toward us (annoyed), and Russia keeps the same (polite).

2. City management
2.1 WF in Valhalla: +1 mountain, -1 sea
2.2 WF in Busiris: +1 grassland
2.3 WF in Vadso: +1 sea (no harbour)
2.4 WF in Raiding Base: +3 sea, -3 grassland

3. Unit moves
3.1 Three caravels NW-NW of Beowolf go SW-SW-SW of Fields of Gold
3.2 Thor's Sickle caravel goes NW-NW of Beowolf
3.3 It disembarks its three berzerkers one tile further north
3.4 Six berzerkers and one pikeman fortify E-E-SE of Spiffor Burg
3.5 One remaining berzerker goes to the desert SW-SW of Valhalla

4. Worker jobs
4.1 Two workers SW of Thor's Hammer begin mining
4.2 Two workers E of Thor's Hammer being mining
4.3 Two workers SE of Busiris go NW of Build More Boats (arrival in 2 turns)

We are making 28 gpt, and military tradition will be researched in 13 turns

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Between the turns - 1290 AD - 1295 AD

1. Persia demands 34 gold and our territory map. Accepted.
2. Korea and Celts have signed a Mutual Protection Pact
3. Babylon and Aztecs have signed an alliance against us. Aztecs declared war on us.
4. Witnessed a Spanish ironclad getting sunk by an Egyptian battleship.
5. Roman warships managed to destroy our tile improvement E of Build More Boats.
6. Raiding Base has done building a Library.
7. Population growth in Polar Bear Club

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	06-05-2004 06:18									#8
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1295 AD

1. Diplomacy
1.1 The Greeks refuse to acknowledge our envoy
1.2 The Romans refuse to acknowledge our envoy
1.3 The French refuse to acknowledge our envoy
1.4 The Spanish refuse to acknowledge our envoy
1.5 The Babylonians refuse to acknowledge our envoy
1.6 The Americans refuse to acknowledge our envoy
1.7 Signed Peace with Japan - they pay 2 gpt for this.
1.8 Sold Gems to Japan - they pay 12 gpt for this
1.9 The Aztecs refuse to acknowledge our envoy

2. City Management
2.1 WF in Thor's Hammer: +1 scientist, -1 entertainer
2.2 WF in Build More Boats: +1 grassland, -1 sea (fish)
2.3 Production changed in Build More Boats. Now producing harbour instead of pikeman (complete in 6 turns)
2.4 Maximized shield production in BigFurryCity, by using shield-grasslands that were previously used by neighboring cities. We now only need 25 turns to complete the Forbidden Palace.
2.5 WF in Palace of Ice and Snow: +1 plains, -1 sea
2.6 WF in Penguin's Revenge: +1 sea, -1 scientist
2.7 WF in Polar Bear Club: +1 forest
2.8 Starving Hot House. +8 scientists, -4 grassland, -4 entertainers.
Explanation: Hot House is a thorn in our side since the beginning. It is full of Spaniards, who hate us. To keep this 8 pop. city functioning, we need 4 entertainers. And this for the benefit of getting one shield and one commerce. By starving the city, we don't lose anything (no shields, no commerce), except culture-flip-prone Spaniards. Besides, the 8 extra scientists help our research significantly: Instead of discovering Military Tradition in 9 turns, we'll discover it in eight.

3. Unit moves
3.1 Moved 4 berzerkers from E-E-SE of Spiffor Burg to SW-SW of Valhalla
3.2 Moved Thor's Sickle caravel to Hot House (arrival next turn)
3.3 Moved the caravel stack SE of Fields of Gold
3.4 Two galleys go from Spanish Are Greedy to Raiding Base

4. Worker jobs
4.1 Two workers N of Build More Boats start mining. One slave starts building a road.
4.2 One worker and one slave go from the forest NW-N of Vadso to S of Build More Boats
4.3 One Slave W-NW of It's Cold Out There goes S of Build More Boats

5. Science
5.1 Science rate is now 50%

We are making 3 gpt. We will discover Military Tradition in 8 turns. Our forbidden Palace will be complete in 25 turns

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Forgot the save:

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	06-05-2004 06:37									#10
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Between the turns - 1295 AD to 1300 AD

1. Babylonians destroy an improvement N of Palace of Ice and Snow
2. Babylonians destroy an improvement SW of Palace of Ice and Snow. We have one less gem resource, but we still have this luxury in abundance
3. Romans destroy an the improvement on the mountain island near Build More Boats
4. Romans destoy an improvement near Pithom
5. Roman destroyer attacks our caravels in the strait. One caravel lost. The enemy is unscathed.
5. Pithom culture flips to Egypt. It becomes defended by one rifleman. Its big culture makes this city a serious cultural threat to pheonix.
6. The Romans are building SETI program

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	06-05-2004 07:36									#11
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1300 AD

1. Diplomacy
1.1 Peace talks with Greece. They'll accept peace if we pay 139 gold + world map. As per this poll, we have rejected the offer.
1.2 The Americans refused to acknowledge our envoy
1.3 The Aztecs refused to acknowledge our envoy
1.4 The Romans refused to acknowledge our envoy
1.5 Peace treaty signed with Spain - no party paid any compensation to the other.
1.6 The Babylonians refused to acknowledge our envoy
1.7 The French refused to acknowledge our envoy
1.8 Right of Passage signed with Japan - their attitude toward us has upgraded to annoyed.

2. City Management
2.1 WF in Valhalla: +1 sea, -1 mountain
2.2 Rushed Temple in Pheonix for 180 gold
2.3 WF in Palace of Ice and Snow: +1 sea, -1 plains
2.4 WF in Togas Town: +1 scientist
2.5 WF in Beowolf: +4 grassland, +1 mountain, -4 sea, -1 scientist. This highly corrupt city now reaches a two-shield production.

3. Unit Moves
3.1 Moved the two remaining caravels to Fields Of Gold, fortify
3.2 Fortify the two galleys in Raiding Base
3.3 Thor's Sickle caravel arrived in Hot House, fortify.
3.4 Five berzerkers arrived in the hills east of New Asgard. Fortify.

4. Worker actions
4.1 Disband slave near newly flipped Pithom. There was no safe way to bring him back on our land, with the Roman navy roaming the sea.
4.2 Two workers NW of Build More Boats start mining.
4.3 Six slaves embark galleys in Raiding Base. The galleys don't move, as a roman ship blocks the only exit.
4.4 One worker and one slave start building a road N-NW of Beowolf
4.5 Seven slaves go from S of Vadso to Raising base
4.6 Three slaves W of Busiris go one tile SE.

We are making 8 gpt. We will discover Military Tradition in 7 turns. The Forbidden Palace will be built in 24 turns.

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	06-05-2004 07:51									#12
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Between turns - 1300 AD to 1305 AD

A Persian transport, escorted by a battleship, has been spotted. It seems to have stopped NE-NE-N of Spiffor Burg
The Celts offer to trade territory maps. They have agreed to pay 4 gold instead.
Egypt and Babylon have signed a trade embargo against us.
Babylon destroyed an improvement N of New Asgard
Rome has brought an escorted transport near our southeasternmost city, Mendes. If we can't strike a deal with them, the invasion begins next turn.
Fields Of Gold completes library. Builds university.
HotHouse lose one pop of starvation
Pheonix builds a temple. Now works on a pikeman
The Persians are building the Manhattan Project

And this closes session #45. We now have tangible threat of land based invasions, and we need to plan on them.

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	06-05-2004 08:52									#13
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Very bad situation
However, great summary, Spiffor, thanks!

	06-05-2004 11:52									#14
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Some civs are actually still paying us for peace??

	06-05-2004 14:31									#15
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good work Spiffor

	07-05-2004 11:13									#16
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well done guys

	07-05-2004 14:17									#17
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quote: Originally posted by BigFurryMonster Some civs are actually still paying us for peace??

Yep
Don't forget that in absolute numbers, we still are a significant power (at least compared to the minor power s that are Japan and Celts.

However, the Koreans didn't pay us for peace, but they paid us a fat sum to not trade with Russia. And for a reason: Russia doesn't have iron, which considerably weakens it.

	08-05-2004 07:47									#18
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Wow... when that deal is up we'd better remember to check with each of them will pay - the Russians for their Iron, and Korea for us NOT giving Russia Iron!