25-08-2004 00:19									#121
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I just came across Civ2's source code petition

Lots of 'add me to the list of petitioners' posts but I could not find anything else.

	25-08-2004 02:55									#122
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Don't count on there ever being anything else. The former design team told fans ages ago that the code no longer exists (much like the CtP1 code). Some fans are just stubborn

	25-08-2004 03:14									#123
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quote: Originally posted by Locutus ... the code no longer exists ...

This is not that surprising it been what 5 or 6 years since Test of Time...

	25-08-2004 15:01									#124
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well........maybe it will help people accept that CTP2 and the source code project IS the only hope for getting that perfect historic based TBS game?

	26-08-2004 23:58									#125
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has any involved with the source code code run across the graphics section that correlates to the civ-shield for units.
I'm taking about the color changing shield you use next to units and the medal to. is it in a zfs file or a tga or hopefully a sprite? can it be edited? (I'd like to make it into a large flag)

	27-08-2004 22:49									#126
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It looks like these are in ctp2_data\default\graphics\pictures. The program tries to find files upc006.tga (flag) and upc047.tga (veteran medal) in this directory. When not found, it searches pic565.zfs for upc006.rim (flag) and upc047.rim (veteran medal).

	30-08-2004 22:02									#127
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I'll check it out thanks

	05-09-2004 00:51									#128
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Just to say a big thanks to the guys that are continuing in their efforts with the source code, the regular guys like Fromafar, Martin, Peter(when he's computerised again), Flinx and all the others that have been inspired(brave enough!) to look 'under the hood' of this game and fix it

I know your efforts are keeping CTP2 on my harddrive and one day we'll have the best tbs game there is, especially as not many get made these days.......anyway thanks guys - i never know what the hell your all exactly talking about in those source code threads, but its appriciated by us laymen

	07-09-2004 07:29									#129
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You are right Child of Thor, they will never be praised enough.

A friend of mine have reported a possible bug. It seems that a Corporate Branch unit can create a franchise across the ocean when the unit is placed on the coast. I have not yet tried to reproduce the bug and will do so as soon as I can.

	08-09-2004 02:44									#130
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Hey guys, Howzit going?

	08-09-2004 03:27									#131
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Just dropping by to say hello. My weeks of minimal internet access are over, and I should be able to resume my duties here...

	08-09-2004 03:29									#132
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quote: Originally posted by Maquiladora Flinx is right it appears in improve.txt in CtP1 here code: IMPROVEMENT_FLAG_ALLOW_GRUNTS and of course in CtP1 and 2 the specialist is code: POP_FACTORY_GRUNT "Laborer"

I think that even that flag might not do anything, and already be a leftover of an earlier version of CTP1, because each record in pop.txt also specifies a building which allows that type of population.

	08-09-2004 05:17									#133
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quote: Originally posted by Immortal Wombat Hey guys, Howzit going?

Fine thank you Immortal Wombat.

The forum is rather quiet, and I am among the culprit these days, though I think it is going to be more active as the people comes back from holidays and survives the first week back at work.

I hope your holidays were good.

	08-09-2004 13:47									#134
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quote: Originally posted by Immortal Wombat Hey guys, Howzit going?

I seem to spend most of my time these days in the other games forum(mostly 'name the game'), but i always check in here to see how things are going - there's not much i can do here while the code wizards play with fixing the code

Still i'm 90% convinced CTP2 will be the last commercialy produced hope of the TBS fan - its just going to take time untill all the bugs and broken bits are fixed

Anyway good to see yourself and J bytheway here again

	29-09-2004 01:08									#135
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So where is the one year anniversary party? I'll be the first to admit that since the code came out I'd say I came back to ctp2 and away from civ3

	29-09-2004 01:41									#136
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Yeah there should be a party in the chat room

	30-09-2004 00:05									#137
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Would love an update on the project

Lurking I can see that there is a lot being done, but its not clear when something will be available to the non-coders

	30-09-2004 00:22									#138
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Anyone can download the playtest builds, not just the coders .

	30-09-2004 00:30									#139
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quote: Originally posted by Myrddin Would love an update on the project Lurking I can see that there is a lot being done, but its not clear when something will be available to the non-coders

Well, the main thing available to non-coders is the playtest. Coders always appreciate feedback.

I think that the basic state of the playtest version (and hence the project as a whole) is as follows:

We have a version which is, in SP, very much more stable than the commercial releases, and has all the features in the patched version and more besides, as well as better AI.

It also works in hotseat, and probably email games, at least to a certain extent, but is minimally tested and it is likely that we have introduced at least some bugs in making the other changes.

Network and internet MP is still unstable (probably even worse than it was in the unpatched version) and there is no prospect of it improving in the near future.

Support for mods is still pretty good, and a fairly ddecent backwards compatibility has been maintained, but the mods would certainly benefit from being updated to take advantage and/or account of the changes and new features.

	01-10-2004 02:05									#140
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Have your say on barbarian placement .

	01-10-2004 18:33									#141
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Yes, and we are not releasing an 'official' CtP2:AE till MP works at least as well as in patched original, that's the reason cited by Locutus. Personally, I believe MP to be of minimal importance, but I understand everyone who disagrees. However, indeed, the current playtest build is far better than the original for playtest. Less bugs, better AI, new feautures and all the old ones. I've encountered no problems running any of the mods I tried. IIRC, it was a late March build that reimplemented all SLIC functions. Yes, no major mod updates were issued, but still .

	02-10-2004 01:36									#142
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I think that, since there is no prospect of any change on the MP front, it's now worth thinking about a semi-official release. If we wait for the MP bugs to be fixed then we'll likely never get there. Who knows, we might even attract a competant network programmer...

	02-10-2004 01:49									#143
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I would agree with the above statement. With singleplayer, I think we are almost where we wanted to be when talking about the first official patch - that is, old bugs and crashes fixed, minor new things added. It's obviously a long time till new big feautures will be in, and the bad SP bugs are all fixed, IIRC.

A network programmer is something we need badly. Since we have the unpatched sourcetree, multiplayer was very poor there, so we almost have to code that from scratch. I'd certainly support putting a semi-official release on, for getting more recognition to the whole thing and with the hopes of attracting additional manpower.

	02-10-2004 03:30									#144
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By calling it CTP2:AE with a version date (not number e.g. 1.2) and new splash screen, I think releasing official builds without the MP fixes in the 1.11 patch should not be too much of a problem. Every second or third playtest could be released as an 'official' build - that is usually a 10-20 week period and collects some significant changes.

I am sure Myrddin is not the only lurker who would be feel better about downloading an 'official release' from the main news page than a 'playtest' from some old thread in the forums.

That's my 2¢ anyway...

	02-10-2004 15:46									#145
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J Bytheway,

you say hotseat is fixed/working - that should go someway to placating fans who like to play with a couple of friends.
Still a few regulars still seem to be playing MP games, so i guess even with the bugs its still possible to do MP - not sure if they use the playtest version or the old version though?

Maybe someone(aployton/CTP big cheeses ) should start to see if we can find a network programmer willing to have a look at the code? I know the Candle'bre project is supporting MP, so someone there might have an idea or be interested?
I can see how it would definately be best to have the 'official' release all fixed as it should have been when it was released, but if that isnt possible then maybe a semi-official release could encourage more people(me included!) to download and try the latest stage of CTP2's development?

	02-10-2004 16:06									#146
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Candle'Bre programmers are probably way too busy with that project alone.

Locutus pointed out recently that there's a ton of people who play and like CtP, but don't post on the forums. A semi-official release would surely make these people feel better, too. Besides, AFAIK, tere have been MP games with playtest builds, so pure MP is also possible to some degree. As for Hotseat, I can't confirm or deny the claims it's fixed now, but if it is, great.

	02-10-2004 18:10									#147
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Well last time I tried MP (previous playtest from current) it wasn't playable IMO, although it ran fine, there were bugs with collecting public works tax, a major part of the game.

I don't know about Hotseat or PBEM, but if this is intended to be a big release then it might be an idea to take out the network game button or at least include some kind of very noticeable warning.

	02-10-2004 18:12									#148
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An easy thing for the readme, stating there that the game is intended for single-player and that major instability and bugs are to be expected in MP modes. That will look better than taking out the network game button altogether.

	02-10-2004 19:06									#149
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IMO, it is still a bit too early for an official release, even if all the coders have done a great job so far.

The playtest thread demonstrates that there are still some little annoying bugs.

	02-10-2004 19:08									#150
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No it’s way to early. Just look at actoscrap with there official launch .