06-05-2004 19:41									#31
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Your sig line makes you appear stupid, uuhhh, Kucinich (still haven't straightened the old bastard out? ).
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quote: Originally posted by Drogue If it shows anything, which I doubt, it shows that people who don't give in to knee-jerk reactions and can see more than just their personal gain ("low taxes means more money, screw public services") are generally more intelligent than people who do use knee-jerk reactions and who can see the effects of their actions.

quote: Lord, the money we do spend on Government and it’s not one bit better than the government we got for one-third the money twenty years ago. -Will Rogers, again

	06-05-2004 19:43									#33
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Notice how all the righties are too stupid to understand this conclusive evidence and argue about it. Us genius lefties can see that it's clearly correct.

	06-05-2004 19:45									#34
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So sez Mr

quote: IQ tests are very culturally biased. It's a well known problem with them.

	06-05-2004 19:47									#35
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Conclusive evidence?

	06-05-2004 19:48									#36
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Culturally biased against non-western cultures.

I suppose that includes the Southern US, the civilised parts of the US seemed to do very well.

	06-05-2004 20:32									#37
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Education levels are obviously crucial for the IQ score, but still:

48: Idaho 87 (Bush)
49: Utah 87 (Bush)
50: Mississippi 85 (Bush)



EDIT: Can someone please post the IQ ranges for retarded, stupid, gifted, genius etc for comparison?

	06-05-2004 20:37									#38
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70 is supposed to be mental retardation, 100 is average, above 100 is gifted.

	06-05-2004 20:40									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Sava so basically, according to these findings, Bush supporters are stupid... but that is something I already knew. I'm not sure how credible this is, I just found it amusing.

It's not credible. I am sure there are plenty of "stupid" voters on both sides of the political spectrum.

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quote: Originally posted by Kucinich Europe = rest of the world?

Nope - Europe, Canada, China, India and Russia. That would account for a large proportion of the worlds populations, and by their standards, the Democrats would come out as Centrist or Centre-Right. I'm not sure most of Africa would count as having a party system of note, and if they do, I don't know how it stands. Southern America I'm not sure about either, but they could be closer to an American left/right scale. Whether you look at parties in those countries, or use a measure such as the political compass, or suchlike, the Dems would come out as Centre-Right.

When you have a party that advocates a nationalised healthcare, education and public transport system; that wants to raise taxes and welfare; and that is pro-environment; then I'll admit their a Centre-Left or leftist party. The US, by standards in Canada, Europe, Russia, China - most of the world, does not have a centre-left party, except for small third party candidates. There are far more places where the Dems would be considered centrist or centre-right than there are where they would be considered centre-left.

	06-05-2004 20:49									#41
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IQ is just sophisticated bullshit.

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quote: IQ is just sophisticated bullshit.

True

and

quote: Tatu Vanhanen

Is pretty much an idiot.

	06-05-2004 20:52									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Combat Ingrid EDIT: Can someone please post the IQ ranges for retarded, stupid, gifted, genius etc for comparison?

100 is average. In school, in the UK at least, less than 70 is a cause for concern, above 130 is considered gifted. MENSA, which accepts the top 2%, has an entrance of 148. 180 is about 1 in 3.5 million. What you consider the amount for genius to be depends on what you consider a genius to be. Past genius' (Einstein, Darwin, Newton, etc.) have all sorts of IQs, supposidly.

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Adam Smith: I wasn't advocating a low tax system, nor saying it was better. I was meaning that those who want low tax because they cannot think through to what tax gives you. People who advocate having no tax but still want law and order, for example. I do see your point with that quote though, but counting inflation, it really shouldn't be any better

	06-05-2004 20:57									#45
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Funny how the same people who discard IQ as meaningless when it comes to race suddenly consider it valid when it supports their own theories.

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quote: Originally posted by Drogue Nope - Europe, Canada, China, India and Russia. That would account for a large proportion of the worlds populations, and by their standards, the Democrats would come out as Centrist or Centre-Right. I'm not sure most of Africa would count as having a party system of note, and if they do, I don't know how it stands. Southern America I'm not sure about either, but they could be closer to an American left/right scale. Whether you look at parties in those countries, or use a measure such as the political compass, or suchlike, the Dems would come out as Centre-Right.

China isn't leftist. China is just authoritarian, though leaning capitalist. Similarly, does Russia actually have nationalized healthcare, etc? You've also forgotten about countries like Iran and Pakistan, which definately balance out Europe

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quote: Originally posted by Drogue 100 is average. In school, in the UK at least, less than 70 is a cause for concern, above 130 is considered gifted. MENSA, which accepts the top 2%, has an entrance of 148. 180 is about 1 in 3.5 million. What you consider the amount for genius to be depends on what you consider a genius to be. Past genius' (Einstein, Darwin, Newton, etc.) have all sorts of IQs, supposidly.

Thanks

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quote: Originally posted by Drogue 100 is average. In school, in the UK at least, less than 70 is a cause for concern, above 130 is considered gifted. MENSA, which accepts the top 2%, has an entrance of 148. 180 is about 1 in 3.5 million. What you consider the amount for genius to be depends on what you consider a genius to be. Past genius' (Einstein, Darwin, Newton, etc.) have all sorts of IQs, supposidly.

Totally depends on the test

A top 2% mark in any of these frequently used tests below qualifies you for entry to Mensa. The minimum test mark to get into Mensa is:
Cattell B - 148
Culture Fair - 132
Ravens Advanced Matrices - 135
Ravens Standard Matrices - 131
Wechsler Scales - 132

	06-05-2004 21:20									#49
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IQ measures education.

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Only partly. The education required for an IQ test is pretty basic. There are also general knowlege and language components.

I have higher IQ than some people who have a higher level of education than me.

Basically the IQ test tests how good you are at doing IQ tests.

	06-05-2004 22:06									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian The nigger comment, meh, that could have been anywhere. It's unfortunate you encountered it here. Darien has bars? I guess it does. I have a good friend who grew up there, so all I think of when I think of Darien is Dan's house. Dingy? Bah. Some of the crappier parts of the cities, sure, but most of the state is very nice. Rudeness I don't think I'll argue. Southerners generally think Northerners are rude. So even if we're not rude by Yankee standards, we are probably still rude to you. -Arrian

It was a jest, but on a more serious note before I moved from North to South, I had to travel to our Corporate HQ a bit and unfortunately that meant a ride into CT. Danbury, Waterbury and Hartford are by no means garden spots.

Being a northerner, I wasn't fazed by the rudeness moreso the general disrepair and high cost of living. Lots of empty post-industrial towns IIRC.

All in all fairly typical of the northeast. I guess I don't see the allure of limitted employment possibilities and high cost of living that I once did.

	06-05-2004 22:14									#52
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I don't see a trend... but then, I voted for Bush

	06-05-2004 22:43									#53
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I don't see how this is conclusive exactly. A higher IQ doesn't necessarily mean better judgment. Neville Chamberlain's IQ was probably well above 100, if it comes to that...

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i like the nice unbiased website with the skull and cross-bones with bush over it in the upper right hand corner. It really adds credibility

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quote: Danbury, Waterbury and Hartford are by no means garden spots.

No real argument there, except that downtown Hartford (which is maybe the equivalent to a couple of blocks in NYC) is actually quite nice. The rest of the city ranges from crappy to downright godawful, though, so I guess it balances out.

-Arrian

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quote: Originally posted by Arrian The nigger comment, meh, that could have been anywhere. It's unfortunate you encountered it here. Darien has bars? I guess it does. I have a good friend who grew up there, so all I think of when I think of Darien is Dan's house. Dingy? Bah. Some of the crappier parts of the cities, sure, but most of the state is very nice. Rudeness I don't think I'll argue. Southerners generally think Northerners are rude. So even if we're not rude by Yankee standards, we are probably still rude to you. -Arrian

Yeah, but I grew up in Georgia and had never encounted such flagrant racism in an openly public place.

Dingy: Bridgeport, New Haven, Hartford, the entire I-95 corridor except the parts near NY. Nice: Stamford, Greenwich.

	06-05-2004 23:55									#58
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Where in Georgia?

	06-05-2004 23:57									#59
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Atlanta, Athens (6 years), Statesboro (3 years).

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quote: Originally posted by JohnT Yeah, but I grew up in Georgia and had never encounted such flagrant racism in an openly public place. Dingy: Bridgeport, New Haven, Hartford, the entire I-95 corridor except the parts near NY. Nice: Stamford, Greenwich.

Fair 'nough. Reality is that Yankees can be just as racist as anyone.

Bridgeport - check
New Haven - check (missed that one in my original disclaimer)
Hartford - mostly check. Some redeeming qualities.
Stamford - like Hartford. It's got its good side and its bad side.

Greenwich, like just about all of the towns in Fairfield County, is very nice. Darien is too, you know, outside of the bits that line the Post Road (Rte1). The whole county is basically NYC's bedroom.

-Arrian